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Uldin(Hun) = Odin(Viking)

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 19 Tem 2015, 22:28

The Huns – A background to the Hunnic peoples of Central and East Asia has been provided above. As to the Huns themselves, the specifics are elusive, and general agreement as to origins is not obtainable. One popular history, “The Huns”, part of “The Peoples of Europe” series, omits any discussion of the ancestral roots of the Huns.

However, it appears that the most likely background, expressed chronologically, largely via Chinese and Russian writers is as follows:

318 BC. Chinese records note the Xiong Nu, Asiatic Turkish speaking Huns whose empire constantly attacked the Qin Chinese who in turn as a defensive measure built the Great Wall of China. Their raiding also took them into the Altai.

200 BC. Dou Man unites the nomadic tribes and gains control of the “Silk Road”, and ubjugates the Han Dynasty of China.

121 BC. China defeats the Xiong Nu, who had by then brought numerous Central Asian peoples under their control.

55 BC. Factionalism and internal revolts cause a major split into the eastern (southern) horde who is under the control of the Chinese; and the western horde begin a westward migration. At this point the Xiong Nu cease to exist as a recognizable entity.

50 BC. The western faction reached the Volga River and the Aral Sea where they remain for a considerable time and the history of merges and splits in the group is not apparent(likely due to their now considerable distance from China).

350 AD. The remenants of the Xiong Nu, now known as Huns, were are the gates of Europe in the Ukraine, on the east bank of the Don River.

376 AD. The united forces of the Huns crossed the Don, and subjugated the Ostrogoths all the way to the Danube; and in the year 395 the Hun forces also crossed the Caucasus Mountains and laid waste to Armenia, penetrating as far as Edessa in Syria. By 406 the Huns were in control of the former territory of the Alans south to Azerbaijan.

It is unfortunate that of all peoples, especially those who have put their stamp so vigorously on Europe, there is a paucity of historical documentation and even less archaeological material pertaining to the Huns. One of the reasons why the Huns have an air of mystery about them is that they were almost certainly an amalgam of peoples – a confederation rather than a single entity. The “Hun army” would only be composed of an unknown percentage of the Xiong Nu descendants. Work at the University of Sofia has determined that among the confederacy circa 370 AD were the Bulgars, who had moved
from the steppes to Armenia in the Caucasus after 45 AD. The leader of these proto – Bulgars was one Vanand, and the whole region took its name from this leader (Dimitrov, 1998). Again this name takes on significance in the sagas told by Snorri who mentions a decisive battle between the Vanaland people and Odin’s people. Thus until the dissolution of the Hun Empire circa 453 AD the word Hun may have been somewhat generic. But without a doubt the leadership or aristocracy was true Hun – Atilla and his predecessors. The leaders of the “true Huns” were of the Dulo clan of the Utigurs tribe –
to which Atilla belonged. It is also the Uygurs who are considered to be the descendants of the people represented by the Tarim Basin Mummies of Xinjiang Province in China (Thornton & Schurr, 2004). Referring back to an earlier discussion of the Scythian peoples of the steppes, the Uygurs were noted as the probable founders of the Huns, and there is evidence that they (the Huns) still continued to exist and maintain control after the death of Atilla by merging with the Avars and Bulgars, with the leader of the latter being Khan Kubrat (died 651 AD).

Uldin – It would be difficult not to notice the similarity between the name of the Hunnic “king”, and the name of the Asian leader of the Norse Sagas named Odin. Odin is characterized as a great warrior who won many battles upon crossing the River Don.

The historic Uldin was considered by some authors to be the man who united the Huns and led them to their decisive victory over the (Eastern) Ostrogoths who became subjects of the Huns. The link between the Goths and the Huns is reflected in their joint campaign (possibly led by Uldin) against Adrianople where two thirds of the army of 80,000 men and the Emperor Valens were destroyed on 9 August 378. In 400 a German rebel named Gainas incurred the wrath of Uldin who, with some considerable effort, finally managed to beat the forces of his opponent, and Uldin sent the slain man’s head to Constantinople on 3 January 401 to be displayed - with the demand that he be paid “gifts”, thereby sealing a treaty with the Eastern Romans. This historical record bears some similarity to
the Odin from the Sagas whose story is tied in with the severed head of a man. It is unclear as to how many men went around holding the severed head of another, but this overlap does help to tie Odin to Uldin. In 405 Uldin was called upon by West Rome to assist in eradicating Radagaisus and a large contingent of Germans, and in the Battle of Faesulae in Italy in 405 Uldin’s cavalry made swift work of the Germans. In 406 the Ostrogoths formed a coalition with other Germanic - Scandinavian tribes (e.g., Vandals, Suevi), which also “included a clan of Alans displaced from the Caucasus” (p. 12). In 408
Uldin crossed the Danube and laid waste to Thrace, but through bribes to his followers, the Roman officer was able to get many to desert with the result that Uldin was forced to cross back over the Danube with a much weakened force. The contact between the Huns and the Goths is possibly reflected in the observation that the songs sung by the Huns at the time of Attila were in Goth, and followed Goth conventions. It has also been reported that at this time Goths would take Hun names by which they were known in their community; and other authors state that Huns were in the habit of taking Goth names.

Either way it appears that there was a solid link between the two peoples whose lifestyle and culture at the time did not differ in any significant way. This sets the stage for a merging of the two such that both came to revere the horse; and both were masters of occupying their time by acts of piracy using boats to raid along the Black Sea (from the 3rd Century AD). This propensity may have set the stage for the similar raiding that would be characteristic of their apparent descendants – only the venue was different – the Atlantic Ocean and Baltic Sea and beyond.

After 408 Uldin, the first Hun to be mentioned by name in the chronicles of the day disappears from the historical record, and we know that his successors in 412 were Donatus and Charato (perhaps the two brothers of Odin mentioned in the Sagas). According to the thesis put forward here, Uldin / Odin appears in Sweden a few years later with his Hun – Alan followers and remenants of the Ostrogoths to negotiate with King Gefir prior to taking up residence at Sigtun on Lake Malar.

It is interesting that Jordanes reported that the Heruls (which might be a generic term for a very mixed group) were acting as pirates along the French and Spanish coasts in 409, 450 and 459. It can only be guessed whether the first raid was a little diversion while enroute to Scandinavia; while the others were conducted after the community had settled in Gamla Uppsala and Southern Norway. It is possible, however that this was an entirely independent group of Heruls.

Thor Heyerall: The Hunt for Odin In the midst of preparing the present study, the Resource Coordinator of the Shetland Islands Y-DNA Surname Project informed the author that, “A few years ago while
visiting Fosnavag in Norway, I attended a talk given by the famous adventurer, Thor Heyerdahl. He raised the question, why are northern Europeans called Caucasian? He had read Snorri Sturluson’s Edda and decided to investigate for himself. He explored the mountainous region, and in the south of Russia found a legend of a group of people, who in the long distant past, had emigrated to the northern areas of Europe. He found that their leader was a man called Odin. His visit was, of course, to the Caucasus Mountains.

He brought back with him to Norway a group of musicians from that area who performed after his talk” (E. Morewood, personal communication, 2004). An Internet search confirmed that indeed this project was one of the last undertaken (but not finished) by Dr. Heyerdahl prior to his death in 2002. He wrote a book in Norwegian called “Jakten pa Odin” which was supposed to be translated into English by November 2002, but apparently has not been done so up to the time of this writing. What can be gleaned via the Internet indicates that he concentrated his archaeological explorations in
the region where the Don empties into the Sea of Azov. It appears that Dr. Heyerdahl concluded that the Ases emigrated around 63 AD, and he found traces of a comtemporary civilization in the area.

What is very interesting for the purposes of the present study is that Dr. Heyerdahl located a people called “Odin-People” (Ossetians) residing in what is today Azerbaijan, who he said consider themselves descendants of the same people who migrated to Scandinavia long ago.

What compelled Dr. Heyerdahl to investigate the matter was apparently the similarity of the word Azov to the place called by Snorri “Ashov (read as As-hov)” the site of tribal sacrifices. This prompted a joint Norwegian – Swedish and Russian archaeological project that began in 2001. A research center was set up in England, and after the death of Dr. Heyerdahl, has set as its mission to continue the work in Azov and the Caucasus.

While the entire contents of the book may not be available to the present author, a very comprehensive book review translated from Norwegian is. A team of scholars examined the contents of the book and, to say the least, found it woefully lacking in just about every category. They paint Thor Heyerdahl as a sensation seeking pseudo – scientist whose claimed doctorate cannot be verified. Apparently Heyerdahl and Lilliestrom use highly selected evidence and ignore anything that might not fit their preconceived bias.

Some very serious examples include the following. The reviewers state that the “Odin – People” identified by Heyerdahl in Azerbaijan have never used that name to refer to themselves, they take extensive liberties with linguistic “evidence”, the “Vannic” people did not exist at the time of Snorri, let alone live on the shores of Lake Van in Turkey (which in turn did not become a country until modern times), and the Troy from which Odin allegedly departed, according to Heyerdahl, was not even identified with a specific location until the last century. Then there is the archaeology where the artifacts assembled to support their case show no continuity in the materials in the 1st Century Azov and Scandinavia. Furthermore, Heyerdahl and Lilliestrom point to the cremation burials at Uppsala to support their argument – but these sites have been dated to the 5th and 6th Centuries. As to the similarities of the folk music between the two regions, apparently the expert Scandinavian folk musician cited by the authors wrote a press – release where he refuted the way that his views had been expressed in “The Hunt for Odin”. Also, apparently other authors have investigated the subject, such as the Russian author Vladimir Sjerbakov and the Scandinavian Stein Jarving, but neither were given credit by Heyerdahl and Lilliestrom. The reviewers conclude that, “The book is a gold – mine to those interested in research ethics. To anyone with a love for juicy errors and hilarious anachronyms, H and L provide a good read.”

Source: The Genetic Link of the Viking Era Norse to Central Asia: An Assessment of the Y Chromosome DNA, Archaeological, Historical and Linguistic Evidence
Author: David K. Faux
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