MrButlerKing yazdı:Mongoloid.... East Eurasian... who cares!!! I just want you to understand my point.
Firstable you and other claim too many culture as Turk. For example the Scythians, Batrician, Andronovo. Tocharian, Alan and many which are Indo-European speaking but you claim they are Turk.
Here is what Arabs said to Turks. During Muhammads time.
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Turks; people with small eyes, red faces, and flat noses.
Most Indo-European are always predominately R1a
Most Uralic are always haplogroup N
Most Mongolic are always C3
Most Sino-Tibetan are always O3
What about Turkic??? you do not have a predominate haplogroup that all of you share. In East Siberia the Turkic are dominant Q and N, In Central Asia is C3, R1a, J2, in Turkey and Azeris is a heavy mix of haplogroups of haplogroup.
Look at the archaeological culture of the Gök Türks from the 6th century. Then look at the archaeological culture of the Huns(Ogur, On-Ogur, Bes-Ogur, Acatziri,...) from the 5th century and earlier. Only these cultures are qualified as being defined as the same culture as the Iron Age Scythians, and earlier Andronovo. For example look at the carpets of the Iron Age Pazyryk culture, it contains the exact same cultural traits and tamga's as the Huns, Gök Türks and modern Türks. Look at the anthropological studies performed on the core of the Huns and the Gök Türks, then you will see the connection from Sumerians to LBK to Andronovo to Scythians to Huns to Gök Türks and modern Turks.
You keep saying, most, this and that. This is not science, you can not even show me one Indo European(faked up culture title/label) modern nation which has only one specific haplogroup. Tell me a name of a modern nation, and i will proof you are wrong. By the way, 100 or 1000 people of which the historical origin(with historical documents from national archives) is not known and not shown as proof, can never count as the majority of a nation which has a population number of tens/hundreds of millions.
Look at the portrait of my ancestor Attila(5th century is earlier than 7th century), and you will see the physical facial feature of the Turks.
Read the ancient Chinese sources. Their descriptions of the physical facial feature of the Tuku(Turk) nation, is as the following: "They have light or yellow hairs and have blue eyes, they are known for their strength and military expertise".
There is no such thing as a heavy mixture of haplogroups, like i mentioned before, show me one modern nation which has only a single Y-haplogroup, and i will proof you are wrong. Genetic mutations occured 10's of thousands of years ago, the oldest human culture is the Proto Turk culture. Process this truth in your nasty brains which is full with hate crime feelings against Turks.
MrButlerKing yazdı:Here is Kul Tigin. Leader of the Gokturk, look more Mongoloid than anything.
Archaeology is about culture. Anthropology is about the facial structure. It is known from the historical documents, that the royal Gök Türk khans married with royal Chinese woman for political reasons. This is the reason for the change of the facial structure. The facial type is neither Han Chinese, and is neither Germanic, facial type is of Turk origin. Some facial features will not change so easily in the majority of the family members, like the skull type, or the colours of the eyes. The Han Chinese historical documents describe the oldest Huns / Turks(Tuku) as having light coloured eyes, and describes them being completely different than the Han Chinese. The anthropological type of the Han Chinese is East Eurasian, which is equal to the term Mongoloid. And the Huns/Turks are different from the Han Chinese and were in majority of West Eurasian origin.
The Mongols of Genghis Khan are not equal to the anthropological term "Mongoloid". The Mongols of the 13th - 19th centuries are just a Federation of Turk Tribes. Mongols are not a different nation. The current population number of Mongolia is ONLY 3 MILLIONS. This proofs that the medieval Mongol Turks of the 13th - 19th centuries migrated heavily to the countries like Türkiye, İran and Azerbaijan where the Ilkhanid Empire had ruled. Almost the complete Mongol Turk population of the Chagataids and the Ogedeid migrated to the regions of Türkiye, İran and Azerbaijan from the Khorasani Mountain routes.
Look at the descriptions of the facial type of the Royal Family of Genghis Khan, do the Han Chinese(East Eurasian anthropological type) have red hairs and blue/hazel eyes?:
Temujin himself was noted in Chinese descriptions of him, for his tall stature and heavy beard. [Günther (1934) 185.] We should also note the following depiction of Temujin's appearance, as given by Harold Lamb, in his biography of the great Khan:
"He must have been tall, with high shoulders, his skin a whitish tan. His eyes, set far apart under a sloping forehead, did not slant. And his eyes were green, or blue-grey in the iris, with black pupils. Long reddish-brown hair fell in braids to his back." [Lamb (1928) 23.]
Ab ul Ghasi also observed that the family of Yesugai, the father of Temujin, were known for the fact that their children often had fair complexions, and blue or grey eyes. [Günther (1934) 185.] Temujin's wife, Bourtai, bore a name which means "Grey-Eyed". [Lamb (1928) 23.] As both Günther (1934) and Lamb (1928) note, Temujin's relatives and descendants also possessed fair features: Temujin's son and successor Ogadei (1229-41), had gray eyes and red hair; Temujin's grandson Mangu (1251-9), had reddish eyebrows and a red-brown beard; Subatei, who conquered China, had a long, reddish beard. Indeed, it was said that people were surprised Kubilai Khan had dark hair and eyes, because most of Genghis Khan's descendants had reddish hair and blue eyes. [Günther (1934) 185.]
funny guy. Read chapter 3 of post one to enlighten yourself about the relations between the terms "Huns", "Khazars" "Turk", "Kurd", "Etrak" and "Ekrad".