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Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 04 Tem 2015, 01:47

Queen B yazdı:What you fail to understand? ECoHR's is about.. HUMAN rigths. Crimes and crimes against humanity are of ICJ.

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Lol, hahaha, in phase one you start the denying process, in phase to you make a 180 degree turn and accept the truth, and you dont value the decision made by the European Court of Human Rights.

1:
The State of Switzerland and France are openly violating the HUMAN RIGHTS OF THE TURKS(approximately 1 million Turks, including Doğu Perinçek) that live in Switzerland and France, by declaring them murderers while it is a scientifically proven fact that there was no genocide performed on the Armenians, while on the other side the Armenians committed openly many genocides on purposely on innocent civil Turks. The states of Switzerland and France are openly punishing people who are following the scientific truth and deny the false genocide.

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The Armenian slander is a false accusation, there was never committed any kind of genocide against the Armenians. The Armenian slander has to do with the human rights of Turks and Armenians, so this accusation is the work of the European Court of Human Rights.
During the First World War, the present Armenian state did not yet exist, but the Ottoman state was present, and Türkiye is the following state of the Ottoman Empire. So the Armenian slander clearly has to do with the human rights of the present day and historical(around 1914-1918) civil individual Turks and Armenians. The punishing with a law, according to a false(historically proven to be false) slander, is against the terms of the European Court of Human Rights. If the European Court of Human Rights publishes a result in which they say that there was no such thing as a "genocide" on Armenians, then all members(governments of for example France and Switzerland) of the European countries MUST follow this decision, also all other courts MUST AUTOMATICALLY follow this decision, because all these European courts are integrated to each other.

Read the following content on the following page of the International Court of Justice: http://www.icj-cij.org/information/index.php?p1=7&p2=2

The International Court of Justice differs from the European Court of Justice (the seat of which is in Luxembourg), whose role is to interpret European Community legislation uniformly and rule on its validity, as well as from the European Court of Human Rights (in Strasbourg, France) and the Inter-American Court of Human Rights (in San José, Costa Rica), which deal with allegations of violations of the human rights conventions under which they were set up. As well as applications from States, those three courts can entertain applications from individuals, which is not possible for the International Court of Justice.


The page clearly writes that the European Court of Human Rights can deal with matters of states and individuals together.

3.
Read the contents of the following article at:

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/01/turkey-armenia-switzerland-genocide-perincek.html#

The case being heard in Strasbourg, where Clooney is representing Armenia, centers on the hotly debated genocide Armenians say Ottoman Turks perpetrated a century ago against 1.5 million of their forbears.

The Armenian claim, though it has significant international political and academic support, is nevertheless questioned by the Turkish judiciary in terms of the strict legal definition of genocide. Turkey officially denies the claim, although it acknowledges that hundreds of thousands of Armenians were among the millions of Ottomans killed during World War I.

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/01/turkey-armenia-switzerland-genocide-perincek.html#ixzz3erqvLRnQ


In this case of the European Court of Human Rights, Amal Clooney was representing the country Armenia, and Doğu Perinçek was representing the country Türkiye. So, the subject of the case is the "Armenian slander", and the European Court of Human Rights had to make a decision which showed that either the country/state Türkiye, or the the country/state Armenia was right.

4.
The European Court of Human Rights investigated the subject and made a neutral solid research. They published(http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/webservices/content/pdf/003-4613832-5581451) the result of their investigation and research with the following solid data which openly proofs that there was no such thing as a "genocide", this decision MUST be followed by all European governments and courts:

-The Court took the view that the term “genocide” as used in the relevant Article of the Swiss Criminal Code was likely to raise doubts as to the precision required by Article 10 § 2 of the Convention.

-The Court pointed out that it was not called upon to address either the veracity of the massacres and deportations perpetrated against the Armenian people by the Ottoman Empire from 1915 onwards, or the appropriateness of legally characterising those acts as “genocide”, within the meaning of the relevant Article of the Criminal Code.

-In this connection, the Court clearly distinguished the present case from those concerning the negation of the crimes of the Holocaust.
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Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 04 Tem 2015, 02:05

Witness yazdı:He is Crimean Tatar.

I know my society moron, it's you Azeri who is deluded and likely self hater. Azeris are the darkest Turkic people in the world. Minority of Turks are light skinned. I am from coastal Giresun which is part of this minority. Majority of Turkey is oceans of brownish people and not only Kurds. So again the Chechen is right. Kurds are all browns people but many others are so. With the higher birth rates of Kurds, this rates increases. I don't know if you can psychologically support but Azeris are mainly tanned people in Turkey judging Iğdır and Kars.


Dark skinned has nothing to do with anything. Do you know of the ancient Kara Khazars, Kara Tatars? Or the White Huns, who were mostly in Indian regions had dark skinned faces. Do you know of the descriptions of the Huns of Attila, or the descriptions of Oghuz Khan, all mention the fact they were hairy, so as a fact there were both blondes and dark skinned people among the ancient Turks, but the structure of the face, the skull type were the same and were in majority of West Eurasian origin with a minority of East Eurasian origin.
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Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 04 Tem 2015, 02:26

Witness yazdı:Halil İnalcık ve Ortaylı Tatar, onlar Turkic'tir. Ben onlar Türk değil demedim. Irk tipi olarak Türkiye'deki herkesi temsil edemezler diye yazdım. İdrak edebilenler zaten anlamıştır.


Türk ve Turkic'i ayıran kişiler ya kötü niyetli Türk düşmanı insanlardır, yada geri zekalı beynini çalıştıramıyan insanlardır. Türkiye'nin ve Azerbaycan'ın tüm köylerini gez de gör Türkiye ve Azerbaycan Türkleri'nin yüz tiplerinin nasıl olduğunu. Her Türk sülale de mutlaka aşırı çekik gözlüler de, sarışın olanlar da, esmer olanlar da vardır. Bu gibi bir sülalenin tüm üyelerinin yüz tipini karşılaştırdığın zaman yüz tiplerinin temelinin aynı olduğunu görürsün. Türk Yüz Tipi de antropolojik açıdan Türk Irkı da budur, ve Orta Asya Türk cumhuriyetlerini gezen uzmanlarda Türkiye ve Azerbaycan'da görünen bu yüz tipi yapısının tıpa tıp aynısını gördüklerini açık açık itiraf ediyorlar. Örnek olarak mesela benim halamı zamanında Hollandalılar Çin'li diye zannediyorlardı, ama bizim sülalenin tarihi geçmişi 1000 yıldır Anadolu, İran, Azerbaycan bölgelerine dayanıyor. Yani çekik gözlülük sadece İlber Ortaylı gibi Tatar Türklerine mahsus bir durum değildir, Türkiye ve Azerbaycan'ın tüm köylerini gezmiş uzmanlar benim ne demek istediğimi gayet iyi biliyorlar, sen merak etme :)

Witness yazdı:Azerileri seviyor olmam genel bir durum, her bir Azeriyi ilah olarak kabul etmem gerektiği, yazdıkları, düşündükleri herşeyi onaylayacağım anlamınada gelmez.


Senin amacın Türkiye ve Azerbaycan Türkleri arasına fitne fesatlık sokmaktır. "Turkic" gibi Türk düşmanı bilim dışı terimleri kullandığın gibi "Azeri" saçma terimini de kullanman senin ne amaçlarla bu forumda yazdığını açık açık göstermektedir. Türk düşmanı olmayan yada Cahil olmayan bir TÜRK, "Azerbaycan Türkleri" terimini kullanır, çünkü bilimsel olarak doğru olan terim budur. Türkiye ve Azerbaycan Türkleri arasında en ufak bir fark yoktur, kötü niyetli insanlar Azerbaycan ve Türkiye Türkleri'nin birbirine duydukları "BÜYÜK AŞI" asla yok edemiyecektir, sen hiç endişe etme!

Witness yazdı:Ben mezhepçi değilim, kimi sevip sevmeyeceğim benim meselem. Kemal Paşa'ya saygı gösteriyorum, sadece sevmediğimi söyledim, o da kimsenin karışabileceği bir mesele değil. Atatürk üzerinden rant devşirmek artık kabak tadı veriyor, ben ATatürk'ü senden daha fazla seviyorum o halde senden daha Türk'üm, daha vatanseverim ayakları.


"Atatürk" terimi yerine ısrarla "Kemal Paşa" terimini kullanman yine senin yazılarının amacını göstermektedir. Senin gibi insanlar olduğu gibi görünmeyen insanlardır. Açık ve net olun, Atatürk düşmanı isen, bunu açıkça belirt, hem "Kemal Paşa" gibi bilinçli olarak küçümsemeyi amaçlayan terimleri kullanıpta Atatürk'ü seviyorum diyecek kadar sahtekardır senin kişiliğine sahip olan insanlar, dürüst olmayı öneriyor. Geçmiş yazılarında hem AKP'nin tüm Türk düşmanı tezlerini savunurken, hemde ben AKP'li değilim gibi fitne fesat davranışlarda bulunduğunu kardeşlerimin anlaması lazım.

Ölüezgi yazdı:Azeri Şiileri de Türklerden nefret eder, Sünnileri sevmez. Çok da garip bir şey değil.


Mezhepçi sapkın bir yalandır. Türk Milleti hiçbir zaman Emevilerin ve Yezidlerin mezhebini tercih etmemiştir. Türk Milleti daima Hallacı Mansur, Hoca Ahmed Yesevi ve Hacı Bektaş Veli'nin mezhebinin mensubu olmuşlardır bin yıldır. Ayrıca, tek bir tane İSLAM DİNİ vardır, o da HAZRETİ MUHAMMED'İN(S.A.V.) İSLAM DİNİ'DİR. HAZRETİ MUHAMMED'İN soyunu sopunu kurutan ve tüm torunlarını katledenlerin kurduğu sapık mezheplerin ne Türkiye Türkleri ne de Azerbaycan Türkleri ile en ufak bir alakası yoktur. Senin gibi sapkın insanlar, Azerbaycan ve Türkiye Türkleri arasına nifak sokamazsınız, aramızdaki büyük AŞKI kimse sona erdiremez, boşuna çaba göstermeyin lütfen :)

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showth ... ops/page28
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Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 04 Tem 2015, 02:46

Petros Houhoulis yazdı:That's a Turkish forum bozohead, not a credible source. Now take a look at a proper website discussing genetics:

BTW the J genes are associated with Middle Eastern farmers. Now take a look at the worlds' most predominant genes map:


Keep on with your denial stress approach, and seeing you using insult words against me makes me only laugh at you and see how right i am haha :)

Are you blind? I gave you a couple of the source names i used for the Y-haplogroup J data i earlier provided. But you skip and deny these facts on purpose, very pathetic, i must say :(

-US(Tatiana Zerjal):
A genetic landscape reshaped by recent events: Y-Chromosomal insights into Central Asia

-US(Kevin Alan Brook):
Genetic Study of East European Karaite Communities

-Estonia(Bayazit Yunusbayev):
The Caucasus as an assymmetric semipermeable barrier to ancient migrations

-China(Wei-Hua Shou):
-Y-Chromosome distributions among populations in Northwest China identify significant contribution from Central Asian pastoralists and lesser influence of western Eurasians

Read the following topic for more detailed information:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showth ... sian-Turks

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showth ... ost3671420
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Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 04 Tem 2015, 03:13

Petros Houhoulis yazdı:What truth would be in favor of the Turks kiddo? Do you seriously suggest that the genealogy of a monarch has anything to do with modern ethnic flame wars on the internet? What if I told you that the vast majority of the East Roman (Byzantine) rulers were not Greek by origin? Would you make me anti-Greek?

In any case, the Turks' genocidal tendencies are legendary:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur


Haha, i invite you the proper topic http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showth ... ost3664804, for further discussion of that matter. Your sentences are empty and meaningless.

Wikipedia, that is a very academic, reliable and neutral source, ISNT IT(being sarcastic)? 17 million is totally a lie, we are talking about the 15th century AD, such a number is not possible. War and conquest has nothing to do with genocide. During a war between soldiers, genocide is not possible. Everywhere, were the Ghengisid armies went, they offered peace if they surrendered, and all historical facts show really that if the countries accepted the offer, their countries lived in peace under the Genghisid(=Timurid) rule. A genocide is a legal term describing the killing of innocent civil(no military) people(based on ethnical hate crime) that cant defend theirselves. During Genghisid rule, this never happened, after conquest like you can see for example during the rule of Kubilai Khan, you can see that a foreign Marco Polo became one of the most richest statesmen in the empire of Kubilai Khan. The only mistake the Turk royal families made in history is eating of each other(their own people) for the fight for the throne.

The source provided by Wikipedia says this:

Many independent scholars see in Tamerlane a lust for power, conquest and blood. They point not only to Tamerlane's remarkable military campaigns and an estimated death toll of as many as 17 million people but also to his words.


Do you see any kind of academic source in here, do you see any kind of analysis of the numbers of deaths(and the associated nations) that were found FROM ANCIENT HISTORICAL SOURCES? WHICH 15TH CENTURY HISTORICAL SOURCE MENTIONS IN THEIR DOCUMENT THE NUMBER OF 17 MILLION?

What is genocide really? GENOCIDE IS THE ACTION PERFORMED BY THE MODERN US STATE. THE US STATE HAS KILLED 1,5 MILLION INNOCENT CIVIL(NON MILITARY) MUSLIMS ONLY IN THE IRAQI REGION IN ONLY 12 YEARS, WITH THE GOAL OF SLAVE TRADERY AND BECOMING RICHER FROM THE KILLING OF PEOPLE TO WHICH THEY COMMIT ON PURPOSELY HATE CRIME, DURING A NON WAR PERIOD UNDER THE RULE OF THE US STATE!
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Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 04 Tem 2015, 15:55

Queen B yazdı:Of course I value the decision of ECoHR.

You still haven't understand shit, though.
This case is between Perincek and Switzerland.
Its not between Turkey and Armenia.


Keep on with the denying :) I just need to rephrase a part of my previous post:

"In this case of the European Court of Human Rights, Amal Clooney was representing the country Armenia, and Doğu Perinçek was representing the country Türkiye. So, the subject of the case is the "Armenian slander", and the European Court of Human Rights had to make a decision which showed that either the country/state Türkiye, or the the country/state Armenia was right."

Countries like Switzerland create a law in 2005 based on the hate crime against Turks. The law includes the devilish rule, that if someone refuses the Armenian slander(scientifically proven that there is no genocide), he/she will go to prison. Like i mentioned before, there are tons of other REAL genocides committed by the West European and American countries. Countries like Switzerland do not seem it to be necessary to create laws associated with these real genocides. The fact is that countries like Switzerland and France are political puppets of the US and the UK, and when the US/UK orders and forces these puppet governments to create such non logical laws, they immediately do this. An Independent Türkiye and Independent Turks, is a big threat for the plans the UK/US has in the Middle East, the UK/US cant expand their rule in the Middle East, because the country Türkiye and the Türk Armed Forces created by Atatürk is fully independent, and blocks the expansion of all devilish unhuman plans of the UK/US in the Middle East. Thats the reason why the UK/US gives orders to their puppet countries to create laws based on hate crime and international lies.

1- Doğu Perinçek goes to Switzerland in 2005, together with Rauf Denktaş(former and building president of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus) and dozens of other Turk scholars(also many historians like the former president of the Türk History Institute Yusuf Halaçoğlu went to Switzerland at this period) and statesmen, and gives a democratic conference to a huge group of Turks, and tells in summary: "The Armenian genocide is an Imperialist Lie".

2- In 2007, Switzerland sentenced Doğu Perinçek for 90 days of prison.

3- Doğu Perinçek files a complaint in 2008, at the European Court of Human Rights against the state of Switzerland.

4- In 17 December 2013, the European Court of Human Rights, made a neutral investigation and research about the scientific/historical realities(the truth) regarding the falsely accused genocide against the Armenian population in 1915. The conclusions of the European Court of Human Rights about the truth about the Armenian slander subject, after their neutral investigation and research were:

-The Court took the view that the term “genocide” as used in the relevant Article of the Swiss Criminal Code was likely to raise doubts as to the precision required by Article 10 § 2 of the Convention.

-The Court pointed out that it was not called upon to address either the veracity of the massacres and deportations perpetrated against the Armenian people by the Ottoman Empire from 1915 onwards, or the appropriateness of legally characterising those acts as “genocide”, within the meaning of the relevant Article of the Criminal Code.

-In this connection, the Court clearly distinguished the present case from those concerning the negation of the crimes of the Holocaust.

5- Because the European Court of Human Rights decided and believes there was no such thing as an Armenian genocide in 1915(read my previous posts about the details of what precisely happened at this period of time), the European Court of Human Rights sentenced Switzerland, for violating the freedom of expression of Doğu Perinçek.

6- All European countries and all European courts MUST follow the contents of the decision the European Court of Human Rights has made.

7- In March 2014, Switzerland lodged an appeal against the decision and sentence of the European Court of Human Rights. The European Court of Human Rights, planned a new appointment for the evaluation of the lodged appeal.

8- In January 2015, this new appointment for the case was carried out. Now, the state of Türkiye represented Doğu Perinçek, and the states of Armenia and France represented Switzerland about the discussion and evaluation of the decision, sentence and results the European Court of Human Rights had published in 17 December 2013. So, the complete case(2008-2015) is a case associated with multiple present day and historical European states, because the decision in 17 December 2013 included a conclusion of "THERE WAS NO GENOCIDE PERFORMED ON THE ARMENIANS IN 1915".

The Armenians in 1915 wore the military uniforms of France, England and Russia, they were in duty of the armies of these countries, and performed treason against the Ottoman state in which they lived for 1000 years in peace, by the killing and murdering of innocent civil(non military) Muslim Turks and Kurds to fullfill the orders of the countries France, England and Russia which were the enemies of the Ottoman state during the ongoing First World War(1914-1918). Hovhannes Kajaznuni, accepts all these facts courageously, but neither the modern Armenians, nor the other European countries seem to be interested in the scientific truth based on historical facts which are found from Russian, Ottoman and Armenian historical documents. The Swiss Criminal Code, their evil law that punishes people who deny the Armenian slander, did not need the assistance of historians and historical facts, so the reason for creating their law was on purposely because they got the orders from the UK/US states in order to perform pressure on the present day modern Turks and the modern Türkiye state. This is infact a really obvious hate crime against the Turks. Since the Armenian state was not present in 1915, the Swiss state was represented, in January 2015, by the combination of the states of France(European) and Armenia, which is logical because France was according to Hovhannes Kajaznuni one of the states(together with Tsar Russia and England) which clearly used the Armenian population during the period of 1915 to commit treason against the Turks and the Ottoman state.
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Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 04 Tem 2015, 19:30

LilOlympi yazdı:Wanna make a bet?

Ahmad Sadi,Director of the Turkish office of the Pancyprian Workers federation.
Fazil Onder,chief editor of the weekly newspaper “Inkilapci”.
Ahmet Yahya of the progressive Turkish Cypriot Athletic cultural centre.
Hasan Ali of the Pancyprian labour federation.
Ahmet Ibrahim and Arif Hulusi Barudi, for expressing pro-coexistence views.
Dervis Ali Kavazoglu, unionist in favour of peaceful coexistence.

Keep searching there are a huge list of more bigger names killed by turks who supported peace and somewhat ENOSIS with Greece..

Live your lie!


You are a simple liar. First of all, i checked one of the names in your list, and saw directly that Arif Hulusi Barudi was not killed, there was a failed attempt of assasination. You are so used to lying, you do not even know the details of the examples you are referring to, very pathetic. I cant find any kind of source showing who did attempt this assasination, who sent the threatening letter? What if it was a Greek or British disinfo agent?

3 July 1958

Arif Hulusi Barudi, a trade union leader who worked in a business owned by a Greek Cypriot, was the victim of a failed assasination attempt, after having received a threatening letter demanding that he leave his job.


Let me show an example of what kind of genocide the Greeks committed on the Turks in Cyprus.

"Ayvasıl’da 21 Türkün vahşice katledilip gömüldüğü bir katliam çukuru ortaya çıkarıldı."

Günlerden beri içimde bir korku olarak duran Ayvasıl’da mahsur kalan kardeşlerimizin durumu ortaya çıktı; Gaddarca işkencelerden sonra, elleri ayaklarının altına bağlanıp, katliam çukuruna gömüldüler.

Bu bir soykırımdır...

Bu insanlığın yüz karasıdır...

Dünya, Kıbrıs’tan yükselen feryadı duymuyor mu?* *

Kötü haberlerin ardı arkası kesilmiyor...

Lemba’lı bir soydaşımız şehit edildi. Lemba Türkleri Baf’ın Türk bölgesine göç ettiler. Köy Rumlar tarafından talan ve tahrip edildi.

Mağusa, Namık Kemal Lisesi, ateş yağmuruna tutuldu.

Rumlar, işgal ettikleri Cumhurbaşkan Muavinliği Dairesi’nden çekilmeyi reddediyorlar.

Rum vahşeti ve barbarlığı yabancı basında yer alıyor:

"En ağır çarpışmalardan bazıları Türk köyü Kaymaklı'da meydana geldi. Onlarca ev ya yakıldı ya da yıkıldı. Rum gençleri Türk evlerinin kapı ve pencerelerini sökerken görülebiliyor, bir yağmacının arabası eski bir buzdolabından, şiltelere kadar doldurduğu eşyaların ağırlığı altında çökmüş bir vaziyette tökezleyerek gidiyordu.

Tuhaf olan, bazı evlerin hiç dokunulmamış olmasıydı. Rumlar bu köyün tüneller ve gizli silahlar yuvası olduğunu iddia ediyorlar. Fakat devriyede olan İngiliz çavuşu, ‘şayet burada herhangi bir tünel bulabilirseniz, 12 aylık maaşımı alabilirsiniz’ dedi."

New York Herald Tribüne

"Bugün Lefkoşa’dan Londra’ya uçurulan 20 göçmen arasında çocuklarıyla gelen iki İngiliz kadın vardı. 26 yaşındaki bu kadın, Kıbrıs’lı Türk olan kocası geride kaldığı için kimliğini açıklamaktan korkuyordu. Apartman dairesinin dışında 5 Türk’ün Rum polisleri tarafından vurulduğunu söyledi. Türkler’den biri elleri havada Rum polisine doğru yürürken makineli tüfekle tarandı.

Bugün ölen iki İngiliz paraşütçü, kendilerini tehlikeli bir olayın içinde buldular. Bu paraşütçüler 27 yaşındaki John Bagley ile 23 yaşındaki Tom Evans idi. Kendilerine Cuvıhurbaşkan Yardımcısı Küçük’ün mesajlarını taşıyan 5 Türk’e refakat etmeleri emredilmiştir. Oraya vardıklarında binayı yağmalanmış bir şekilde buldular. Tüm odaların kapıları kırılmış, kâğıtlar yırtılmış ve eşyalar kirletilmişti.

Binayı terkederlerken, 8 silahlı Rum tarafından tutuklanmışlardı..."



Read more evidence of how the Greek terrorists performed their genocide killings on the Turks at the following page in Turkish, in which the Book of Heroic Rauf Denktaş is available with his memories around 1964(in fact Heroic Rauf Denktaş has dozens of other books covering all situations in the other years, look at his literature and buy his books for detailed evidence): http://www.turktoresi.com/viewforum.php?f=212

To summarize the Turkish text:

"At the Genocide made by the Greeks against the Turks in the region of Ayvasıl in 1963-1964, 21 Cyprus Turks were brutally slaughtered by Cyprus Greeks. In 1964, a a slaughter pit was found in which the bodies of these 21 Şehit Cyprus Turks were found. After the brutal torture, the 21 Cyprus Turks were buried in the slaughter pit with their hands tied under their feet. This is a GENOCIDE."

In such a brutal time, when the Greek population whom were the puppets of the UK/British statesmen, were murdering and committing a GENOCIDE on all Turks without any kind of reasoning, the thinking that you can find peace with the current Greek rule, is like the modern thinking of an Iraqi person who thinks there will be peace in a region where ISIS, PKK or El Kaide is ruling. The same counts for the situations in Cyprus duing 1950-1970. While the Greeks were clearly busy with their slaughtering and genocide plans on the Turks, everyone knew about these brutal incidents, and knowing these facts and saying you can find peace while working under the genocide organization shows that you are a lying traitor that got paid by the slaughtering Greeks and their British masters to act in this way, i would even doubt these people were agent provocateurs. If the Cyprus Turks did not resist, and if the Turk Army did not intervene around 1974, then it was most probably that all(100%) Cyprus Turks would have been killed in a couple of years. Another example, in the last years, we can hear from the present day US-UK puppet North Iraqi tribe leader Barzani, many times the using of the word "Peace", if people who dont know his real duty and his real snesky intentions would read the news seeing Barzani talking about "peace", then they would think that Barzani is a humanist person. The reality is that Barzani is a murderer and helps murderers, and the terrorist organization PKK is being fed by the US intelligence agents within his region. Barzani is a tribe leader, and he uses his own people as poor slaves, while he is living a great super rich life, there is and was never any kind of peace in his region, so how can we think Barzani could be a peace making good intended person in the future? You have to be either super crazy or bad intended to think like this.
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Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 04 Tem 2015, 21:16

Petros Houhoulis yazdı:Turks have been so proficient in genocides, they commit them for centuries now!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur



A single Turkish genocide had had more victims than all of the genocides you have cited above combined...


You came up with one example, lol :) you are so funny, and Wikipedia, that is a very academic, reliable and neutral source, ISNT IT(being sarcastic)? 17 million is totally a lie, we are talking about the 15th century AD, such a number is not possible. War and conquest has nothing to do with genocide. During a war between soldiers, genocide is not possible. Everywhere, were the Ghengisid armies went, they offered peace if they surrendered, and all historical facts show really that if the countries accepted the offer, their countries lived in peace under the Genghisid(=Timurid) rule. A genocide is a legal term describing the killing of innocent civil(no military) people(based on ethnical hate crime) that cant defend theirselves. During Genghisid rule, this never happened, after conquest like you can see for example during the rule of Kubilai Khan, you can see that a foreign Marco Polo became one of the most richest statesmen in the empire of Kubilai Khan. The only mistake the Turk royal families made in history is eating of each other(their own people) for the fight for the throne.

The source provided by Wikipedia says this:

Many independent scholars see in Tamerlane a lust for power, conquest and blood. They point not only to Tamerlane's remarkable military campaigns and an estimated death toll of as many as 17 million people but also to his words.


Do you see any kind of academic source in here, do you see any kind of analysis of the numbers of deaths(and the associated nations) that were found FROM ANCIENT HISTORICAL SOURCES? WHICH 15TH CENTURY HISTORICAL SOURCE MENTIONS IN THEIR DOCUMENT THE NUMBER OF 17 MILLION?

What is genocide really? GENOCIDE IS THE ACTION PERFORMED BY THE MODERN US STATE. THE US STATE HAS KILLED 1,5 MILLION INNOCENT CIVIL(NON MILITARY) MUSLIMS ONLY IN THE IRAQI REGION IN ONLY 12 YEARS, WITH THE GOAL OF SLAVE TRADERY AND BECOMING RICHER FROM THE KILLING OF PEOPLE TO WHICH THEY COMMIT ON PURPOSELY HATE CRIME, DURING A NON WAR PERIOD UNDER THE RULE OF THE US STATE!
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Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 04 Tem 2015, 21:48

Petros Houhoulis yazdı:The European court of human rights clearly admits that

The decision of the court had nothing with the genocide per se. It was about the right of free speech.


Do i have to keep repeating the same message, this is what the Court said:

-The Court took the view that the term “genocide” as used in the relevant Article of the Swiss Criminal Code was likely to raise doubts as to the precision required by Article 10 § 2 of the Convention.

-The Court pointed out that it was not called upon to address either the veracity of the massacres and deportations perpetrated against the Armenian people by the Ottoman Empire from 1915 onwards, or the appropriateness of legally characterising those acts as “genocide”, within the meaning of the relevant Article of the Criminal Code.

-In this connection, the Court clearly distinguished the present case from those concerning the negation of the crimes of the Holocaust.

Another new quotation from the official pdf the Court published:

The Court also pointed out that it was not called upon to rule on the legal characterisation of the Armenian genocide. The existence of a “genocide”, which was a precisely defined legal concept, was not easy to prove. The Court doubted that there could be a general consensus as to events such as those at issue, given that historical research was by definition open to discussion and a matter of debate, without necessarily giving rise to final conclusions or to the assertion of objective and absolute truths.

If you still keep on further with your denial problems, go see some doctor and medicate yourself, i am not your doctor :)

Another quotation:

The applicant, Doğu Perinçek, is a Turkish national who was born in 1942 and lives in Ankara (Turkey). Being a doctor of laws and the Chairman of the Turkish Workers’ Party, Mr Perinçek participated in various conferences in Switzerland in May, July and September 2005, during which he publicly denied that the Ottoman Empire had perpetrated the crime of genocide against the Armenian people in 1915 and the following years. He described the idea of an Armenian genocide as an “international lie”.

The Cassation Division emphasised that Mr Perinçek had only denied the characterisation as genocide without calling into question the existence of the massacres and deportations of Armenians.

Agreeing with Mr Perinçek, the Court took the view that the notion of “genocide” was a precisely defined legal concept. According to the case-law of the International Court of Justice and the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, for the crime of genocide to be made out, the acts must have been perpetrated with intent to destroy not only certain members of a particular group but all or part of the group itself. Genocide was a very narrow legal concept that was, moreover, difficult to substantiate. The Court was not convinced that the general consensus to which the courts referred in convicting Mr Perinçek could relate to such very specific points of law.


In this connection, the Court clearly distinguished the present case from those concerning the negation of the crimes of the Holocaust. In those cases, the applicants had denied the historical facts even though they were sometimes very concrete, such as the existence of the gas chambers. They had denied the crimes perpetrated by the Nazi regime for which there had been a clear legal basis. Lastly, the acts that they had called into question had been found by an international court to be clearly established.
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Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 04 Tem 2015, 21:56

Petros Houhoulis yazdı:Even if you assume that the claims of the Turkish side are correct - which they are not - do you actually call the murder of 21 people a genocide?

If that is so, then the destruction of the twin towers in New York is what? An ubergenocide???

The people killed there were more than 100 times the 21 massacred Turks...



You have problems in the interpreting, you can not solve these problems with non logical graphical images of the Twin Towers, this is off topic, and shows the low quality of your arguments.

In my post i said: Let me show an example of what kind of genocide the Greeks committed on the Turks in Cyprus.

The 21 Turks that were murdered, is just a mini example of what kind of genocide horror the Greek/British state on purposely did against the local Turks of Cyprus.

Even if there is only killed one people, by the official state of a country, with the notion/goal to kill/murder a person of another race/nation, then this is GENOCIDE. The persons responsible for all these slaughtering were the elite people(Greeks and their English masters) working in the Cyprus government, so this is obviously GENOCIDE.

By the way, Twin Towers is performed by the CIA itself to have the mandate to go and invade the Iraq region(which was by the way already under the control of the UK/US state). So, the US such a monster state, that it is ready to kill his own people, in order to invade a defenseless country like Iraq for the goal of making their elite companies more and more richer, while the rest of the US Americans keep on with their poor non rich lives...
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