Aeoli yazdı: Your theory has a point but it is far from to proof that Y-DNA Genetic Structure of Türkiye Turks = Y-DNA Genetic Structure of Ancient & Modern Central Asian Turks.
Sorry, not to be blind as much as a romantic nationalist.
The point which makes sense is,
for example
approximately, we can match Haplogroup G with Georgeans (they have one of the highest percent in their society.)
not all Haplogroup G in Turkey are not coming from converted and Turkificated Georgeans. There are some Turkish tribes have also this haplogroup
But your sources are too weak to proof that origin of haplogroups in Turkey is Central Asia
again an example
Hakan Şükür was one the famous football player in Turkey.
We suppose that his haplogroup is I. He also declared that he has albanian ancester, nobody has any idea of his ancester before. Every body thought that he was an ordinary Turk
so should I believe that his haplogroup is coming from Kazan Tatars Turks (as you said) or from his albanian ancester?
First people in Central Asia were Europoid, but you are ignoring current Mongoloid effects in Central Asians and saying that
You are accepting that Y-DNA Genetic Structure of Türkiye Turks = Y-DNA Genetic Structure of Ancient & Modern Central Asian Turks.
Modern Central Asian Turks???
Kazakh Turks have 86,7% of Haplogroup G. How do the Kazakh Turks originate out of the Georgians?
And the mutations that define the Y-DNA haplogroups arose tens of thousands of years ago. How old is the Albanian, Georgian languages and how old is the Turk language? What is the origin of the oldest human language, the language of the Sumerians? In the past 20 years, extraordinary researchers like Kazım Mirşan and Servet Somuncuoğlu, performed studies which presented the results that the Proto Turks were the ancestors of all Eurasian populations.
Archaeological findings, like the Tamga's, which define the ancient ethnic origin of middle age Turk tribes, are found in the graves and other archaeological findings of many people/graves from Eurasian regions(from Europe to Central Asia) dating to thousands of years ago. For example, the famous skeletal remains of "Ötzi" from Italy of 3300 BCE had tattoos which were equal to these Middle Age Turk Tamga's from West Eurasian regions(from Central Asia to Europe).
These books of Servet Somuncuoğlu contain very important data and proof about the Proto Turks:
-Saymalıtaş - Gökyüzü Atları: http://www.dr.com.tr/Kitap/Saymalitas-G ... 0000364091
-Damgaların Göçü Kurgan: http://www.dr.com.tr/Kitap/Damgalarin-G ... 0000423211
-Taştaki Türkler: http://www.dr.com.tr/kitap/tastaki-turk ... 0000364092
For example, look at the Tamga's(Stamps) of the early 24 Oghuz tribes and the Kazakh tribes:
They are all descendants of the Neolithic Sumerian Writings. For more information look at the following link:http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12289.
Sumerians spoke a Proto Turk language, and their people where the same Proto Turk people whom made migrations in West Eurasian regions(from Europe to Central Asia) dating at least beginning from 13.000 BCE until the Sumerian Period. Read viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12269 for more information. Everywhere these Proto Turks went, they left traces of the same Middle Age Turk Tamgas.
To conclude, these Proto Turks are the ancestors of all West Eurasian populations, and partially ancestors of East Eurasian groups.
First people of Central Asia, date back to Neolithic / Bronz Age and earlier. What you dont understand, is that these Proto Turks were the same as the West Eurasian(Europoid is not a logical description) originated Sakha, Huns and Turks until the 5th-9th centuries AD. After the 5th century AD, these people performed major migrations to the Western regions of Eurasia. So, at the time of the Mongol Empire, the East Eurasian originated Turks(not equal to the root of the Sakha, Huns and Turks) merged together with the West Eurasian originated Turks(equal to the root of the Sakha, Huns and Turks) in Central Asia. Thats why the frequencies of parts of modern Central Asia became 50%-50% West-East Eurasian origin.
But, the most important fact, what if the Proto Turks of 5000 BCE in Europe were people with West Eurasian and East Eurasian Y-DNA haplogroups? That would mean that the Proto Turks are equal to people of West and East Eurasian origin. It does not matter if the core of the Proto Turks was of West Eurasian origin, the East Eurasian groups were also Turks.
In ancient Germany, Spain and Hungary, 5000 BCE, West Eurasian Y-DNA haplogroups like G2a, R1b and T1a were found together with East Eurasian Y-DNA haplogroups like C1 and C6, among the Proto Turks of the same ancient Europe region cultures.
Also, the term "Mongol" can not refer to a nation or an anthropological type, it is not logical, why? Because, the Mongols were a confederation of Turk tribes that occured in the time of Genghis Khan. Earlier than that, you cannot see the term "Mongol" used as referring to an ancient nation or population. Therefore the term "East Eurasian" which also includes the Sino-Tibetian people is more properly and logically.
To give an example, The Y-DNA haplogroups N, O and Q were found among the skeletal remains of the oldest ancient Han Chinese graves. I hope you understand what this example stands for.
The East Eurasian originated minority of the Proto Turks were people whom lived in the regions/countires located to the East of Mongolia. The majority of the Proto Turks whom were the core/root of the Proto Turks, lived in the West Eurasian regions/countries located at the West of Mongolia. The genetic mutations occured tens of thousands of years ago, which means that parts of people with West and East Eurasian genetic structure could have lived together for thoudands of years, not knowing the fact of the occuring of genetic mutations.
The majority of the Modern Turks of Türkiye have West Eurasian Y-DNA haplogroups, but there is also a minority with East Eurasian Y-DNA haplogroups. Looking at the Modern Turks of all regions of Central Asia i can see that the people with East Eurasian Y-DNA haplogroups(C, N, O, Q) are in minority. There are dozens of genetic studies performed, we must analyze all of the results together. If you look at the results of only one study, then the picture is not clear. Also, the samples tested are to low, there are 100's of millions of Turks, testing only 3000-4000 samples does not show everything, not to forget the fact that we should only trust the studies done by academic departments. We cannot trust the conclusions made by profit making companies like National Genographics(associated with CIA) because their work is not scientific, and based on the samples send per post(not reliable for grouping the ethnic origins of the participants).
Also, ancient dna results are more important to define the origin of Central Asian Turks.
Altough the fact of the major migrations during the earlier periods in history, the Modern Central Asian Turks with West Eurasian Y-DNA haplogroups(E, G, J, L, R, T) are in majority. In some regions it may be different, but Central Asia is not only restricted to Kazakhstan.
Also, where to put the modern Chuvash, Bulgar, Gagauz, Bosniacs, Kumans, Azerbaijanis, Karachays, Avars, Crimeans, Karais etc.? Their ancestors clearly also migrated from Central Asia and they all have West Eurasian Y-DNA haplogroups.
For more information read the topics at viewforum.php?f=229
