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The Origin of Y-DNA Haplogroup T

Burada Haplogroup T'nin Türkiye-Türkistan Karşılaştırması yapılıyor ve haplogrubun Türk Kökeni kanıtlanıyor.

Re: The Origin of Y-DNA Haplogroup T

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 16 May 2015, 19:47

Khusnutdinova et. al. 2009 finds 1.3%(1/80) of haplogroup T among the Bashkir Turks.

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Battaglia et. al. 2008 finds 1.9%(1/51) of haplogroup T among the Magyar Turks.

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Shou et. al. 2010 finds 2.0%(1/50) of haplogroup K*(xN,O,P) among the Tu Mongol tribe.

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Re: The Origin of Y-DNA Haplogroup T

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Rosser et. al. 2000 finds 17.7%(3/17) of haplogroup K*(xL,N,O1,O3c,P) among the Chuvash Turks.

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Trofimova et. al. 2015 finds 0%(0/43) of haplogroup K(xL,M,N,O,P,T) and 0%(0/43) of haplogroup O among the Chuvash Turks. Also, the finding of 29,5%(13/44) of haplogroup R1a, 15,9%(7/44) of haplogroup J, 13,6%(6/44) of haplogroup E, 11,4%(5/44) of haplogroup I and 2,3%(1/44) of haplogroup R1b show that the great majority of the Chuvash Turk tribes have West Eurasian haplogroups. The Chuvash tribe are the descendants of the core/root of the Huns, namely the Ogurs(Hun-Ogurs). Like mentioned in our previous articles, the anthropological and archaeological studies also show that the core/root of the Huns had West Eurasian craniometrical and cultural traits. So, the core of the Huns/Turks migrated during the period of Attila, massively to the West Eurasian regions until the West of Europe. Haplogroup T is also a West Eurasian haplogroup. And all of these facts show us that the 17.7%(3/17) of haplogroup K*(xL,N,O1,O3c,P) at the Rosser et. al. 2000 should belong to haplogroup T.

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The Oghur, or Bulgar languages (also spelled Ogur, Oghur, Oguric; Bulghar, Bolgar, and variants; also known as Lir-Turkic), are a branch of the Turkic language family. They were historically spoken in Old Great Bulgaria (Magna Bulgaria/Onoguria), and later in the Danube Bulgar Khanate (Danube Bulgaria) and Volga Bulgaria. The only extant member of the group is the Chuvash language. The Oghur branch arguably broke off from Common Turkic perhaps as early as 500 BCE.

Languages from this family were spoken in some of the nomadic tribal confederations, such as those of the Onogurs, Bulgars, and Khazars, and possibly by the Pannonian Avars. It is uncertain whether Chuvash is directly descended from any of these or is a separate branch within this dialect group (Johanson 1998).

The Oghur group is characterized by the sound correspondences Oghuric l vs. Common Turkic (i.e. non-Oghur-Turkic) š and Oghuric r vs. Common Turkic z, for which reason it is also known as "Lir-Turkic", or "r-Turkic". The name Oghur itself is an example of the r/z isogloss, being cognate with Oghuz in Common Turkic. "dj-Turkic" is also used as a term for Oghur, in reference to a sound change from i- to dj-.

Y-chromosome Frequencies and the Implications on the Theories Relating to the Origin and Settlement of Finno-Ugric, Proto-Hungarian and Slavic Populations

Enigmatically, Italians and Turkish speaking Chuvash share HG26, at 6% and 18% respectively. HG26 has been found at the highest frequency in Altaic language family Chuvash at 18% and Turks at 5%;

The Chuvash who are a Turkic speaking Eurasian population, have the highest reported frequency of HG26 at 18% (Rosser 2000). This genetic marker is believed to have originated in Asia 35–45 thousand years ago; at some point later individuals with this marker K-M70, proceeded south to Africa. The presence of this genetic marker in the Arabs of Oman and Egypt is reported to be at 8% (Luis 2004).

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Re: The Origin of Y-DNA Haplogroup T

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 16 May 2015, 22:11

Balanovsky et. al. 2008 finds 1.1%(1/90) of haplogroup T among the Cossac Turks.

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Re: The Origin of Y-DNA Haplogroup T

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Yunusbaev et. al. 2011 finds 4.8%(2/42) of haplogroup T among the Avar Turks.

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Re: The Origin of Y-DNA Haplogroup T

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 16 May 2015, 23:03

Sharma et. al. 2009 finds 8.2%(4/49) of haplogroup K*(xL,N,O,P) among the Gujar Turks.

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A.M.T. Jackson, Rudolf Hoernle, V.A. Smith, Prof. Abdul Gani Shashi and D.R. Bhandarkar are all of the opinion that Gujars are descendants of the Khazars. They say the Khazars came to India with the Huns, around 400 AD, as an allied tribe in the Hun invasion. Apparently, the Khazars of the Caspian Sea were related to the Huns and were known as “Ghussar”, which became “Guzar” (a well known variation of “Gujar”) in India. The word Guzar is then supposed to have become Gurjar and Gujar with time.

Rana Hasan Ali Chuhan again accepts the view that the Huna invaders were related to the Gujars, but disagrees with the theory that it was a foreign invasion. He reminds the historians that Indians had spread far and wide in the vast lands of Asia during ancient times, so the Hunas who came to India were not “real Huns” but Indians who were pushed back to North-India by the “real Huns”. The “Indian Huns” spoke a Hun language and lived a Hun lifestyle, which has lead authors to believe that they were “real Huns”, but in reality they were North-Indians who had adopted the Hun or Persian culture due to living in those lands for a long time.

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Re: The Origin of Y-DNA Haplogroup T

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Mukherjee et. al. 2001 finds 21.0%(20/98) of haplogroup K*(xL,N,O1,O3c,P) among the Türkiye Turks.

The same study refers to other older results of Hammer et al 2000. Combining the results of K*(xL,N,O1,O3c,P) and N1c1, which equals to K*(xL, N*(xN1c1), O1, O3c, P), there are highest frequencies for three other populations, the Kurdish Jews(24% out o 50 people), Druze(38% out o 21 people) and Saudi Arabian(29% out o 21 people). However, there are some facts that will be presented in the descriptions and images below that show that these frequencies are not related completely with haplogroup T.

For example, Shlush/Hammer et al 2008 has extended the sample set of Druze population from the Hammer et al 2000 study, from a total of 21 people to a total of 311 people. In here, the K*(xL, N*(xN1c1), O1, O3c, P) is found with a frequency of 17%, 11% and 4%. The Y-STR haplotypes were also printed in this study. The prediction of several Y-STR haplotypes show that a part of the Druze results should be equal to K*(xL,N,O,P,T) and some should belong to O(xO1, O3c) and N1c1. It is interesting to see that haplogroup Q is found with a frequency of 8% and 4% among the Druze. Likewise, haplogroups R and L are found highest with 27%. And haplogroup C was also found with 4%.

Also, the Mukherjee et. al. 2001 study has some Y-STR haplotypes.The prediction of several Y-STR haplotypes show that a part of the haplotypes of the populations(Druze, Kurdish Jews and Saudi Arabian) with ID "I" and the "A", should belong to K*(xL,N,O,P,T), O(xO1, O3c) and N1c1.

Another example, at the study of Abu-Amero et al 2009, both haplogroup T and R1a1* are found with 5.10% among a Saudi Arabian group with 157 participants, which shows again the similarities and relations between R and T. The same study also finds haplogroups C5, O* and Q. This shows that a part of the K*(xL, N*(xN1c1), O1, O3c, P) could belong to N1c1 or O(xO1,O3c).

At the original paper of the Hammer et al 2000 study, we see very old haplogroup symbols, which are very mixed with each other. The haplogroup 1U is equal to the combining of the several subgroups of the haplogroups K, L, M, N, O, T.
-The haplogroup 1U frequency among the Kurdish Jews is here printed as 18%, which is lower than the 24% of Mukherjee et. al. 2001. Also to note that the frequency of R1a+R1b among the Kurdish Jews is between 12% and 20%.
-The haplogroup 1U frequency among the Saudi Arabians is here printed as 24%, which is lower than the 29% of Mukherjee et. al. 2001. Also to note that the frequency of R1a1 among the Saudi Arabians is between 19% and 24%.
-The haplogroup 1U frequency among the Druze is here printed as 19%, which is lower than the 38% of Mukherjee et. al. 2001. Also to note that the highest frequency of K*(xL, N*(xN1c1), O1, O3c, P) among the Druze at the extension study of Shlush/Hammer et al 2008, is 17%, which is close to the 19% of Hammer et al 2000.
Finally, we can see in the at the original paper of the Hammer et al 2000 study, another final high frequency result that belongs to the Lemba population. The haplogroup 1U frequency among the Lemba is 32% with a total sample of 34. At the recent study of Mendez/Hammer et al 2011, the same Lemba sample set of 34 persons, has a frequency of haplogroup T with 17,6%.

It is also very critical to analyze this final paper of the Mendez/Hammer et al 2011 study. First of all, many people who cant use their own logics to see the scientific facts and the truth, conlude wrongly based on this paper that the origin of haplogroup T is located at the Middle Eastern region. But, if we were to look at it neutrally, we can see that the highest frequency of this study paper belongs to the Iraqi Jews with 21,9% of T with a sample set of 32 persons. However, like we mentioned in our earlier posts, haplogroup K*(xL,N,O,P) is found among the Altaian Kazakh Turks with a higher sample set of 49 persons with a frequency of 38,8%. The Indian Dravidians with a language related to the Ural-Altaic family have with a lower sample set of 18 persons, 55.6% of T. Also, among many Central Asian Turk tribes, haplogroup K*(x...) is found with lower and higher frequencies, which shows that the origin of T is located in the Central Asian regions.

Look at what the Wolfgang Haak et al 2015 study has to say about the origin of Haplogroup T1a which they found among an ancient Linearbandkeramik grave.

I0795 (LBK_EN) This individual belonged to haplogroup T1a (PF5604:7890461C→T, M70:21893881A→C). This is the first instance of this haplogroup in an ancient individual that we are aware of and strengthens the case for the early Neolithic origin of this lineage in modern Europeans, rather than a more recent introduction from the Near East where it is more abundant today


Wolfgang Haak et al 2015 obviously concludes that the origin of haplogroup T is not located at the Near East. The ancient Linearbandkeramik people had Y-DNA haplogroups like C6, G2a and T1a, and were the ancestors of the later people like Ötzi, whom also had haplogroup G2a. The TATTOOS on the body of Ötzi obviously shows that these tattoos were Proto Turk Stamps. The name of the area is called Ötzalp, and the origin of this word is also of Proto Turk origin. Read more at this topic: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12212 about the details of the tattoos on the body of Ötzi. This shows that the Linearbandkeramik people were Proto Turk people. The Linearbandkeramik people that were relatives of the Sumerians(whom came obviously from Central Asian and Dravidian regions), were the ones that brought the Y-haplogroups C, G and T in several of nowadays Kazakh Turk tribes in Central Asia.

So, as a conclusion, the hypothesis of the Mendez/Hammer et al 2011 study is completely disproved. The fact is that the origin of Y-haplogroup T is located at the regions in Central Asia.

There is another analysis which we need to make about the comparison of the results in the Mendez/Hammer et al 2011 study with the earlier results of Hammer et al 2000 and Mukherjee et. al. 2001.
-The Mendez/Hammer et al 2011 study extended the sample set of earlier Druze samples from a total of 21 people to a total of 39 people. The result of haplogroup T finally became 7,7%. Earlier Mukherjee et. al. 2001 reported 38% of K*(xL, N*(xN1c1), O1, O3c, P) among 21 Druze people.
-The Mendez/Hammer et al 2011 study extended the sample set of earlier Saudi Arabian samples from a total of 21 people to a total of 33 people. The result of haplogroup T finally became 0,0%. Earlier Mukherjee et. al. 2001 reported 29% of K*(xL, N*(xN1c1), O1, O3c, P) among 21 Saudi Arabian people.
-The Mendez/Hammer et al 2011 study used the exact same sample set of earlier Kurdish Jew samples with a total of 50 people. The result of haplogroup T finally became 18,0%. Earlier Mukherjee et. al. 2001 reported 24% of K*(xL, N*(xN1c1), O1, O3c, P) among 21 Kurdish Jew people.

It is useful to read this information about the ancient Khazar Turks whom believed in Judaism:

Over a thousand years ago, the far east of Europe was ruled by Jewish kings who presided over numerous tribes, including their own tribe: the Turkic Khazars. After their conversion, the Khazar people used Jewish personal names, spoke and wrote in Hebrew, were circumcised, had synagogues and rabbis, studied the Torah and Talmud, and observed Hanukkah, Pesach, and the Sabbath. The Khazars were an advanced civilization with one of the most tolerant societies of the medieval period. It hosted merchants from all over Asia and Europe.

The fate of the Jewish Khazars is unclear. Jewish travellers of the 12th century continue to refer to them in passing. Khazar Jews are known to have lived in Kiev and even to have emigrated to Spain, the Byzantine Empire and Iraq.


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Re: The Origin of Y-DNA Haplogroup T

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The study named "Comparison of Y-chromosomal lineage dating using either evolutionary or genealogical Y-STR mutation rates" has found similarities between the Y-STR haplotypes of Y-SNP haplogroups R1a, R1b, Q1a, T1a, according to the structure of their Y-STR values.

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Group 5:
R1a, R1b, Q1a, T1a

Analysis:
Haplogroup Q is considered as Mongoloid, and Haplogroups R1a, R1b, T1a are considered as Europoid. In our data, the haplogroups Q1a, R1a, R1b ve T1a are found in some ancient Turkish graves.

During the researches of Anatole Klyosov, the fact that the Y-STR haplotypes of R1a, R1b and T1a are similar to each other was mentioned as a pretty interesting case. According to Anatole Klyosov, among the basic haplotypes of R1a and T1a, out of 22 Y-STR markers 15(and also the slow ones) are the same.

And also, at the study named "Human Y chromosome haplogroup R-V88: a paternal genetic record of early mid Holocene trans-Saharan connections and the spread of Chadic languages", it is mentioned that at the sub-Sahara African regions, out of the nowadays Europoid haplogroups that are formed out of the K-M9 marker(from L to T), only the haplogroups R1b and T1a are found together, and they mention that the origin of these two haplogroups is located outside of Africa and that these migrated from Asia to Africa thousands of years ago. This shows that there is a connection between the haplogroups R and T. The reason of this connection, and the reason that Q, R and T are in the same group, again shows that the members of these three haplogroups(Mongoloid and Europoid) can maybe declared with the argument that tens of thousands of years ago before and after the occurence of the genetic mutations, the members of these 3 haplogroups kept living together as a tribe of the Turkish Nation.

And also, among nowadays Bhutanese people(The country is located at between the borders of China and India), very old(maybe the oldest among the modern humans) haplotypes of the R and T haplogroups were found.

Another study that compares the Y-STR haplotypes of the Y-DNA haplogroups is named "Convergence of Y chromosome STR haplotypes from different SNP haplogroups compromises accuracy of haplogroup prediction".

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Group 3:
L, T, K, N, O

Analysis:
According to the determination, the members of these haplogroups are members of East Asia.
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Re: The Origin of Y-DNA Haplogroup T

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Zhang et. al. 2009/2011 finds 52.0%(27/51), 59.0%(30/51) and 15.0%(7/48) of haplogroup K*-M9(xN1c1, O*, P*) among the Tuva Turks from China.

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Some research lists Todjins and Sojots as seperate ethnic groups distinct from the Tuvans. But usually these two groups are considered as clans of the Tuvans.

Derenko et. al. 2005/2006, finds 8.9%(10/113) of haplogroup K*(xL, N1*, P*) among the Tuva Turks.

Derenko et. al. 2005/2006, finds 26.5%(9/34) of haplogroup K*(xL, N1*, P*) among the Sojot tribe of the Tuva Turks. It is possible that Haplogroup T is one of the major haplogroups of the Sojots .

Derenko et. al. 2005/2006, finds 13.9%(5/36) of haplogroup K*(xL, N1*, P*) among the Todjin tribe of the Tuva Turks.

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Gubina et. al. 2012, finds 9.8%(10/102) of haplogroup K*(xL,N,O,P) among the Tuva Turks from the Altaian regions.

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Gubina et. al. 2012, finds 26.6% of West Eurasian MT-DNA Haplogroups in a sampleset of 347 Tuva Turks. Gubina et. al. 2012, finds 20.5% of West Eurasian Y-DNA Haplogroups in a sampleset of 102 Tuva Turks, which consist of the Y-DNA Haplogroups K*(xL,N,O,P), R1a1 and R1b4. The difference of 6.1%(26.6% - 20.5%) is because of the different total sample set sizes. There are 347 MT-DNA samples and 102 Y-DNA samples.

The almost equal frequencies of MT-DNA and Y-DNA West Eurasian Haplogroups, shows that all of the 9.8%(10/102) of Y-DNA K*(xL,N,O,P) should probably belong to Y-DNA T. This shows, that T consists an important part of the Tuvan Y-DNA genetic structure(together with haplogroups C, N and R), which means that there is a possibility that a higher frequency, out of the 52.0%(27/51), 59.0%(30/51) of K*-M9(xN1c1, O*, P*) in the Zhang et. al. 2009/2011 study, could be found.

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