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Re: Türk Milleti'nin Dini Hakkında Tarihi Tespitler

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 25 Haz 2015, 21:28

Feiichy yazdı:OK, will read it. So all Europeans descend from (proto)Turks ? Heh :D


The term "Western Eurasia" is not only restricted to Europe, geographical basics, please... :(
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Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 25 Haz 2015, 22:10

Zoran yazdı:Wrong. Also most of those pictures you posted are Turks of assimilated Iranian and Tocharian origin. Scythians were Caucasoid, so were Sakhas, they had nothing to do with Turks back then, they existed about 2000 years before Turks were present in Central Asia. Now cry about your race. And stop linking to fake MHP science webpages :D


First of all, you can not change the historical facts with your hate crime feelings, it is against the basical scientific rules. Being seriously, i am asking you one simple question, do you have even one historical evidence, showing that the Uygur, Kazakh or Altai Turks spoke an Iranian lnaguage? No, of course not, it is a very simple fact, Uygurs are not of Iranian origin, Kazakhs are not of Iranian origin, Altaians are not of Iranian origin, Tatars are not of Iranian origin, Chuvashes are not of Iranian origin, Gagauzes are not of Iranian origin, etcetera etcetera. They are all of Turk origin, and their ancestors are the Huns, Sakha´s and the Sumerians. The Huns and the Sakha's were the natives of Xinjiang, no matter what you do, you can not change these facts, dont worry about it.

-Sumerians were a Neolithic group of Proto Turks who spoke a Turk language, whom migrated constantly between the regions from the Altai Mountains until the regions in West Europe, and came during 5000 BCE from Central Asia to the Mezopotamian regions. Is there any Indo-European/Indo-Iranian language earlier than the Proto Turk Sumerian language? No! Then it is obvious that the Turks are natives of all Western Eurasian regions, denying it in an ignorant way with a hate crime approach can not and will never change these obviously solid and constant facts :)

-The oldest Kurgan culture remainings go back to the Early Bronze Age. The culture of the Turks, Huns and Sakha's is also based on this West Eurasian Kurgan culture with Dear-Stone + Rock Writings + Tamga's + Pottery elements, which is all equal to the Proto Turk culture. Looking at the oldest Turk, Hun and Sakha graves, you see the same culture i described just now. So, i am asking you, how do you consider 5th century AD Attila to be of Iranian origin? There are dozens of Persian and Arabic historical sources mentioning the obvious fact that the Sakha's/Scythians were of Türk origin and were the ancestors of late medieval Turk tribes.

-If we look at the anthropological types of the core/root of the Sakha's, Huns and Turks whom lived in the West Eurasian Regions(which is equal to all regions/countries located at the West of Mongolia), we can see that the majority of their anthropological skull types all were of West Eurasian origin. The Tamga's which define the identity of each medieval Turk tribe are all tracable to and among the earlier Neolithic, Bronze and Iron Age Proto Turks.

Look at the portraits painted by medieval sources about my ancestor Attila:

http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12287 yazdı:THE FACIAL TYPE AT THE ANCIENT PORTRAITS OF OUR ANCESTOR ATTILA IS OF WEST EURASIAN TURK ORIGIN[/b]

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By the way the links of the site i am referring to is an Atatürkist site, it is not related to a specific political party. I advise you to deep your ignorant mind in the details of the ideology of Atatürkism, maybe you will then stop hating Atatürk and the complete Turk history.
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Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 25 Haz 2015, 22:38

Gilgamesh900 yazdı:Race is based on anthropological and genetic studies and evidence, and you post from sources that is pure pan-Turanist pseudo-Science BS. West and East Eurasian genetics and race have existed WAAY before languages did since that the concept of languages and etc was a recent development around 10,000 years ago. Turkic peoples were originally from inner Asia in what is now Mongolia and Southern Siberia, and they never left their homeland until their migration in the early middle ages. Stop being such a pan-Turkic missionary. Read this latest genetic study on the Turkic peoples which was published in April, 2015:
http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1005068


Read the title of a link i provided: Turk Nation: Anthropology-Archaeology-Genetic-Haplogroups. You must read the arguments and facts provided in those articles, then tell your view about it. Denying it without reading it, and with the trolling style of "labeling" you can not reach anything at all.

Yes, the mutations that define the Y-chromosome haplogroups date to tens of thousands of years ago. But, the important point in here is, to which origin does the oldest human language/culture belong to? The Sumerian/Kenger language is the oldest human language and it is of Proto Turk origin. Why did Samuel Noah Kramer call the title of its book: "History Begins at Sumer"? Ask yourself this question.

And the second important point, have knowledge of the Tamga System among the modern and medieval Turk tribes. Extraordinary researcher "Servet Somuncuoğlu" has many books with thousands of pages showing achaeological proofs with images, about the existence of the Tamga's of the modern and medieval Turk tribes, among the Paleolithic Age and Mesolithic Age people of the Western Eurasian regions.

How could it be, for example that both the Huns, the Romans and the Germans used flags with the two headed eagle?

By the way, an important proof which strongly shows that the Huns were of the same origin as the Sakha's is the existence of the "Acatziri/Ağaçiri" Hun tribe among the Sakha's as "Agathyrsi". The Cimmerians, the Etruscans were all of the same origin as the Sakha's. And their ancestors were all the Proto Turk Sumerians. The Etruscans were important, because there are many sources showing data of their language and writings, which all lead to the language and writings of the Sumerians.

Keep denying the truth, it does not matter, and will never change the truth! :)
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Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 26 Haz 2015, 15:38

Witness yazdı:Nobody cares Erdogan and he isnt the subject. Beside AKP Kurds only non-Kurdish Kemalists/Ataturkists voted for HDP at the last elections. If PKK political branch is brother with a political movement in current politics, it's obviously CHP and Kemalists. You are the only spammer with off topic messages trying to pose Atheist Kemal Pasha as Muslim. Between 1925-50 Turkey was more than secular in reality as the state made open Atheist propaganda. Planes were dropping propaganda broshures on towns and cities, written there is no God, religion is a lie etc. radios, newspapers were used to spread irreligion, seminaries and conferences were organized across Turkey. You are a moron believing people who organized all this were Muslims.


Admit it, you have love for the PKK, your kind secretly wants to divide the democratic and independent state of Turks build by Atatürk. Your traitor kind secretly prefers being a slave of the English, than being an independent Turk who is an Atatürkist.

Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu, announced a couple of years ago, that todays CHP is called New-CHP, which has nothing to do with the Old-CHP single party system of Atatürk and the Six-Arrows principles of Atatürk. The New-CHP, agrees with every policy the AKP is conducting. On the other side, Devlet Bahçeli, is the person that broke the coalition with Bülent Ecevit, and Devlet Bahçeli on purpose made Tayyip Erdoğan and the AKP the government. Devlet Bahçeli, was also the person that made Abdullah Gül the president. On the other side, the fundamentals of the AKP, Tayyip Erdoğan, Fethullah Gülen and Abdullah Gül is based on the hate of Atatürk, and the worshipping of the US and UK states. Abdullah Gül and the AKP signed a secret agreement with Collin Powell of the US state which had 9 paragraphs. See the following page for detailed information about this secret agreement: Abdullah Gül'ün ABD İle Yaptığı 9 Maddelik Gizli Anlaşma.

This agreement shows that the AKP is a Atatürk hating TRAITOR political party which is the PUPPET of the US and UK. BUT, i am happy to say that my TÜRK STATE IS BASED ON THE MILITARY TRADITIONS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF TÜRK HISTORY. Just like Obama is not the real ruler of the US, Tayyip Erdoğan and the AKP is also not the real ruler of Türkiye. The US is being ruled sercretly by the English royal family Rothschilds, and Türkiye is being ruled secretly by the Türk Armed Forces. So, dont worry, your traitor kind can not divide our country, the Türk Armed Forces has had plans since the beginning. Dont worry about, keep on worshipping the US, and hating my father Atatürk, you will not succeed in anything, keep on using the Islam for your own benefit, to make your pockets more rich, you will not succeed :)

Put this in your head: ATATÜRK WAS A HAFIZ, AND HE WAS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT KIND OF PERSONALITY A MUSLIM OR A TURK SHOULD HAVE. THE STATE OF TÜRKİYE IS BUILD TO ASSURE THAT THE ISLAM WOULD NOT BE USED BY TRAITORS WHO WERE WORKING WITH THE UK/US WHICH HAD PLANS FOR DIVIDING OUR COUNTRY BY USING THE UMAYYAD FAKE MUSLIM LEADERS AS THEIR PUPPETS. THEREFORE THE SECULAR AND NATIONALIST STATE SYSTEM WAS THE ONLY SYSTEM TO CAUSE FOR THE REAL INDEPENDENT DOMINATION/CONTROL OF THE STATE BY THE TURK NATION HIMSELF. THIS SYSTEM CAUSED FOR A NATIONAL PRODUCTION SUCCESS WHICH CAUSED FOR TÜRKİYE BEING A WORLD POWER BETWEEN 1923 AND 1938. THE ENEMY UK/US WHO WANTED TO STOP THIS SUCCESS, USED THE PUPPETS LIKE SEYYIT RIZA IN THE TUNCELI/DERSIM REGION, AND GAVE THEM ALL MILITARY WEAPONS TO BETRAY THEIR OWN COUNTRY. SEYYIT RIZA AND A LITTLE GROUP OF TRAITORS WANTED TO DIVIDE TÜRKİYE FOR THE GOALS OF THE UK/US, BUT FAILED BECAUSE ATATÜRK AND THE TURK ARMED FORCES DID NOT ALLOW THIS. ATATÜRK HIMSELF WAS ALSO AN ALEVI BEKHTASHI TÜRKMEN LIKE THE PEOPLE IN TUNCELI/DERSIM, SO THE OPERATIONS IN TUNCELI/DERSIM WERE STRICTLY OPERATED TO THE TRAITOR PUPPETS OF THE UK/US.

A real Muslim, and a real Turk, is an INDEPENDENT MUSLIM AND an INDEPENDENT TURK. Someone who worships the UK/US and hates Atatürk IS NEITHER A TURK NOR A MUSLIM, END OF THE POINT!
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Re: Türk Milleti'nin Dini Hakkında Tarihi Tespitler

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 26 Haz 2015, 17:39

Zoran yazdı:Because it wasn't Turkic to start with, but rather adopted by Turkic people most likely, a lot of words were common with some Iranic languages and Turkic back then.


The Agathyrsi and the Acatziri(Aghachiri) tribes were one of the core tribes of both Huns and Sakha's. After the Huns, during the Turk periods, this tribe was an important tribe among the Turks in the West Eurasian regions until the late medieval periods.

Read the data at the following links: Agathyrsi = Acatziri, Scythians/Sakha's = Huns = Turks and [url="http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/btn_Wikipedia/Scythians-Agathyrsi-Wikipedia.htm"]Agathyrsi Scythians[/url].

THESE ARE THE FACTS:

-The Sakha's/Scytians were of Hun-Turk origin.

-Huns = Turks = Sakha's(=Scythians) = Etruscans = Cimmerians = Sumerians(=Kengers/Kangars)
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Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 26 Haz 2015, 17:45

Zoran yazdı:Just no, stop already xD

Once again you refer me to this stupid Turanist website. You're wasting my time.


Then admit it you are a troll, you do not seek for the truth. You simply try to perform an easy to decipher psychological warfare, in which you make yourself ridiculous and shameful with your comments which include one or two short sentences full with "quick denying approaches", and "hate crime analysis agains Turks which includes no logic at all".
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Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 26 Haz 2015, 18:24

Gilgamesh900 yazdı:Your simply an idiot.


Your comment again icludes only a short insult, you cant reply with a proper argument, who is the idiot?

Repeating:

You simply try to perform an easy to decipher psychological warfare, in which you make yourself ridiculous and shameful with your comments which include one or two short sentences full with "quick denying approaches", and "hate crime analysis agains Turks which includes no logic at all".
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Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 26 Haz 2015, 20:21

Kipchak Håkan yazdı:I was just saying because in this case the Turkic autonym (agach - forest, tree; iri - tribesman) matches perfectly with the tribes' characteristic living in forest regions. Is agach also known in Iranic languages?


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Kosh-Agachsky District (Russian: Кош-Ага́чский райо́н; Altay: Кош-Агаш аймак) is an administrative and municipal district (raion), one of the ten in the Altai Republic, Russia. It is located in the south and southeast of the republic.


Kosh-Agach means ‘last tree’ in Kazakh, but that tree appears to have died long ago. Some 50km from the Russia–Mongolia border, Kosh-Agach is the driest inhabited place in the Russian Federation, with average rainfalls of under 150mm.

The town has a strange, end-of-the-world feeling about it, with its shanty-type homes petering out into magical flat steppe where free-range camels roam. When the dusty air clears, the nearby mountains appear from nowhere like apparitions. Russians are in the minority here, with Kazakhs and Altai making up something like 90% of the population. Indeed, when the call to prayer sounds from the wooden Khazret Osman Mosque, you'll feel every bit like you're in Central Asia.


Question: Are the Altaians and Kazakhs of Iranian/Persian origin, and do they speak an Iranian/Persian language?

-Another important evidence, is the genetic structure of the Hunno-Bulgarians(Bulgar tribe of the Huns). A study of Nesheva et al 2015, with the title "Mitochondrial DNA Suggests a Western Eurasian origin for Ancient (Proto-) Bulgarians", showed obviously that the Core/Root of the Huns were of West Eurasian origin.

Look at the ancient MT-DNA results found among the Hunno-Bulgarian skeletal remains:

http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12218#p15406 yazdı:H1: 3/13(23.1%)
H2: 2/13(15.4%)
H5: 1/13(7.7%)
H13: 1/13(7.7%)

U3: 1/13(7.7%)

J: 1/13(7.7%)
J1: 1/13(7.7%)

HV1: 1/13(7.7%)

T: 1/13(7.7%)
T2: 1/13(7.7%)

For more detailed analysis of the genetic structure of the Proto Hunno-Bulgarians please have a look at: Bulgaria, 700-1000 AD, Hunno-Turk Bulgarian Ancient MT-DNA


-At a recent study named, Allentoft et al 2015, with the title "Population genomics of Bronze Age Eurasia", Y-Chromosome haplogroup J2 and J2a were found among the ancient skeletal remains of the Iron Age Sakha/Scythian Turks from the South Siberian and Altaian regions. Detailed information about this study can be found at: Altay Cumhuriyeti bölgesinde Antik DNA çalışmaları.

-At the study, of Gubina et al 2013, with the title "Haplotype Diversity in mtDNA and Y-Chromosome in Populations of Altai-Sayan Region":

Among the Kazakh Turks of the Kosh-Agach raion of the Altai Republic, the following West-Eurasian Y-DNA Haplogroups were found:

-38.8% of K*(xL,N,O,P)(most probably T1a)
-6.1% of J2
-6.1% of R1a1

Among the Altai Turks of the Ust’-Kansk, Kosh-Agach, and Turochak raions of the Altai Republic, the following West-Eurasian Y-DNA Haplogroups were found:

-R1a1: 40.7%
-R*: 1.7%
-R1b4: 1.7%
-E1b1b: 1.7%

For detailed analysis and detailed data: Turk Nation: Anthropology-Archaeology-Genetic-Haplogroup
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Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 27 Haz 2015, 02:23

Kipchak Håkan yazdı:In Iranian languages tree is called "dar" as far as I know. But you actually got a good point, there is somehow a strange lexical relationship between Dravidian-Turkic-Sanskrit. Here is a paper about some lexical comparisons: https://www.academia.edu/10158299/Some_thoughts_on_Dravidian-Turkic-Sanskrit_lexical_comparisons


About the similarities and the relationships between the Turk and Dravid languages: An apparent sprinkling of Altaic words in a Dravidian language (Kannada). Possible historical significance for South Asia.

From the articles at the link, there is one with the title: "Evidences of the Scythian Affinities of the Dravidian Languages, Condensed and Arranged from Rev. R. Caldwell's Comparative Dravidian Grammar" by author Edward Webb.

Another article with title: "Archaic terms for clan/tribe/house/ties Sumerian-Dravidian-Uralic-Altaic examples", by author Fred Hamori.
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Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 27 Haz 2015, 21:17

Kipchak Håkan yazdı:I am citing from the paper I posted before: "... many words shared by Dravidian, Sanscrit and Turkic usually made their way through following the route Turkic Sanskrit/Persian (Southern) Dravidian. Other instances, however, may be easily explained as chance similarities."


Another cite from the paper of Sosale Chandrasekhar:

"Modern Kannada, a Dravidian language of great antiquity, possesses several words which bear a striking similarity, in sound and meaning, to words in modern Turkish.
Another apparent common feature is ‘agglutination’, with several suffixes being nearly identical in the two languages.
These may indicate that early Altaic (the basis of Turkish) was spoken in the Indian sub-continent prior to the arrival of the Indo-Iranian peoples.

A possible explanation for these similarities could be that a form of Altaic, the ancient central Asiatic language that is the basis of Turkish, was the dominant language of the Indian sub-continent prior to the introduction of the Indo-European Sanskrit. Apparently, the subsequently evolving Sanskritic (Indo-Iranian) languages largely supplanted the pre-existing Altaic form in the northern and central parts of the sub-continent; possibly, however, residual traces were left over in languages that evolved in the southern reaches of this region."
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