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Re: Türk Milleti'nin Dini Hakkında Tarihi Tespitler

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 23 Haz 2015, 15:42

blogen yazdı:All of the seven Hungarian tribe were ethnic Hungarian, the other tribe, the kabars were organized from Iranians and Turkic fragments.


Zeki Velidi Togan: was a historian, Turkologist, and leader of the Bashkir revolutionary and liberation movement.

Gyula Németh: was a Hungarian Linguist and Turkologist and member of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences.

Györffy Istvan: ethnographer, professor, member of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences.

According to Gyula Németh, there were 9 tribes whom contributed for the building of the Hungarian State(9th-10th centuries). 7 tribes were of Hun-Türk origin, and 2 were of Finno-Ugric origin.

Tribes with Hun-Türk origin:

-Kabar,
-Kürt,
-Gyarmat,
-Taryan,
-Yene,
-Ker,
-Keszi

Tribes with Finno-Ugric origin:

-Nyek,
-Megyef

According to Györffy Istvan, the following subgroups of the 7 tribes with Hun-Türk origin(Kabar, Kürt, Gyarmat, Taryan, Yene, Ker ve Keszi) also were of Hun-Türk origin:

-Jalançak,
-Çertan (Çortan),
-Kondam,
-Borçol (Boroç oğlu),
-Yopogo (Yabagu)
-Ulaş

It is also obvious that the Szekely tribe of the 12th century was of Hun-Türk origin.

The dynasty of Arpad was of the Kabar tribe of the Khazars who were of Hun-Türk origin. The dialect spoken by the Kabars was close to the Bulgarian dialect, and both were of Hun-Türk language origin.

Source: A. ZEKİ VELİDİ TOGAN, UMUMİ TÜRK TARİHİNE GİRİŞ
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Re: Türk Milleti'nin Dini Hakkında Tarihi Tespitler

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 23 Haz 2015, 15:45

Sockorer yazdı:It is and it needs to be bombed to smithereens because terrorism, or something.


I did not understand a word you wrote...
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Re: Türk Milleti'nin Dini Hakkında Tarihi Tespitler

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 23 Haz 2015, 20:36

Witness yazdı:I don't contradict myself moron, I just mentioned the guy wasn't Muslim. It's just that. You can believe what you want, like I said you are nobody and it's not for you to set the standards to be Turk or Muslim. It all started with german guy's post showing Kemalists and Turanists as examples of non-Muslim Turks and I said the reality you quote in your signature. I don't know how things appear from the Netherlands and it's irrelevant.


Do not make the mistake of thinking that i am as dumb as your fellow AKP supporters, who believe that Tayyip Erdoğan is a GOD. Accept it, you are a simple Atatürk hater, you are not a Türk in my eyes.

This was your writing:

Witness yazdı:Hem Müslüman olup hem Atatürkçü veya Kemalist olmak çelişkili bir durumdur. Adamın attığı her adım İslam'a karşıdır, onu zayıflatmak hatta kimilerine göre yok etmek amacı gütmüştür.


This was what Tayyip Erdoğan said before AKP was created:

Tayyip Erdoğan yazdı:Hem Layik Hem Müslüman Olunmaz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5XgqU50c_Y


You are an obvious AKP troll, accept it, otherwise you have no honour in my eyes.

Atatürk was a "Hafiz" at young age, he memorized the Kuran, his ancestors were also "Hafiz"s and respected religious Muslim Turkmens. Atatürk and his family was very religious. Also, even accepting and believing in the Kelime-i Şehadet(Eşhedü en lâ ilâhe illallah ve eşhedü enne Muhammeden abdûhü ve resûlü), is enough for someone to become a Muslim. If you were not so dumb and ignorant, you would have seen in the historical documents, that Atatürk always loved reading and listening to the contents of the Kuran. ATATÜRK WAS A REAL MUSLIM, HE JUST WAS NOT A SHOWMAN, HE DID NOT USE THE ISLAM TO BECOME MORE RICH AND POWERFUL, HE SACRIFICED HIS LIFE FOR THE TURK NATION.

Anyone claiming Atatürk was not a Muslim, is ignorant, dumb and obviously an Atatürk HATER, that is what you are. If you were man enough you should have shown your real face, in stead your kind keeps trolling on the net with two faces.

Hafiz (Arabic: حافظ‎, ḥāfiẓ, Arabic: حُفَّاظ‎, pl. huffāẓ, Arabic: حافظة‎ f. ḥāfiẓa), literally meaning "guardian," is a term used by Muslims for someone who has completely memorized the Qur'an. Hafiza is the female equivalent.


Atatürk 7 yaşında Kuran'ı hatmetti 8 yaşında hafız oldu

Yeni Mesaj Gazetesi'nin Kayseri'de "Milli Kahramanlarımızı Anma" adı altında düzenlediği programda konuşan Bağımsız Türkiye Partisi Genel Başkanı Prof. Dr. Haydar Baş, konuşmasında Mustafa Kemal Atatürk'ün 7 yaşında Kuran-ı Kerim'i hatmettiğini, 8 yaşında ise hafız olduğunu iddia etti.

Haydar Baş, şunları söyledi:

"Türkiye Cumhuriyeti'nin kurucusu kabul etsek de etmesek de Mustafa Kemal Atatürk'dür. Mustafa Kemal Atatürk bizim maalesef öğrenme imkanı bulamadığımız ve çok ciddi bir dini eğitim ve anlayışla yetişmiş mümtaz bir şahsiyettir.

Bize Mustafa Kemal Atatürk'ü nasıl tanıttılar? 'Mustafa Kemal eyyamcıdır, dinden haberi yoktur, gününü gün eden içki sofralarında ömrünü geçiren bir insan olarak tanıttılar. Annesini sorarsanız annesi hakkında şaibeli bilgiler verilir. Babası mı onu nerede bulacaksınız' gibi iftiraların maalesef odaklandığı bir insan konumundadır. Ama gelin Mustafa Kemal Atatürk'ü hep beraber tarihin ilim gözlüğüyle seyredelim.

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk kim? Annesi Zübeyde hanım lakabı 'Molla Zübeyde' balkanlarda Bektaş-ı Tarikatı'nın şeyhi Rıfat Efendi'nin müridesidir! Çok takva bir kadındır, 5 vakit namazına 5 katan cenabı hakkın her yerde onu muhasebe ettiğine inan onun için de yaptığı bütün işlerde Allah'ın onu gözetlediğini bildiği için yine Allah'ın emer ve nehidelerinin dışına zerre kadar çıkmayan biridir.

Zübeyde Annemizi böyle biliyor muydunuz? İnşallah ben yakında Mustafa Kemal Atatürk'ü anlatacağım kimdir Mustafa Kemal Atatürk hep birlikte tanıyacağız. Onu bu şekle getirenleri de hesaba çıkmaya var mısınız?

7 YAŞINDA KURAN'I HATMETTİ

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk'ün babası Ali Rıza Efendi kim? Ali Rıza hakikaten samimi bir Bektaş-ı ailesinin evladı. Ailesi iyi bir Bektaş-i ailesi olduğu için biliyorsunuz 12 imamdan İmam Rıza vardır. O İmam Rıza'yı çok sevdiklerinden yani Mustafa Kemal'in babasının ailesi İmam Rıza'ya hayran ve aşık. Atatürk'ün babasının adının Ali Rıza konmasının sebebi babasının ailesi iyi bir Bektaş-i olduğu için İmam Rıza'ya hürmeten Ali Rıza ismi çocukların adına konmuştur. İşte bu Ali Rıza'dan bu Molla Zübeyde'den nur topu gibi bir Mustafa ortaya çıktı. Kemal ismi zekasının dehası sayesinde öğretmeni tarafından ilave edilmiştir. Mustafa Kemal Atatürk bu!

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk 7 yaşında Kuran-ı Kerim'i hatmetti bunu biliyor musunuz? Bak neler bilmiyorsunuz daha söyleyeceğim! Ve Mustafa Kemal Atatürk 8 yaşında hafızı kelam olmuştur. Hz. Muhammed'e olan aşkı ve muhabbeti bu güne kadar Türkiye Cumhuriyeti'nde Cumhurbaşkanı olan veya Başbakan olan hiç kimsede olmamıştır. Bu güne kadar bize yanlış anlatılan Mustafa Kemal İnönü'nün Mustafa Kemal'idir."

Ali Türkaslan

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Re: Türk Milleti'nin Dini Hakkında Tarihi Tespitler

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 23 Haz 2015, 20:52

blogen yazdı:Baseless theories and these Hungarian scholars acknowledged this. Even the origin of the tribes' name is uncertain, and historically the peoples of these tribes were ethnic Hungarians based on the early Magyar toponyms of the Carpathian basin.


Ignore how much you want, these scholars i have referenced to are very important and reliable Linguists and Turkologists. Ignoring a fact does not change it. Did you know that there is a presentday Kazakh tribe called "Madjar=Magyar"? Andras Biro Zsolt has an important study about this. The Sakha's, Hun's and Turks are all of the same origin. The Sakha were also already present in the Carpathian basin.
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Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 24 Haz 2015, 16:39

blogen yazdı:You did not read these scholars, because they acknowledge it that their theory cannot be proven.

That Madjra is not Magyar. [url="http://www.nytud.hu/nyk/107/03%20baski.pdf"]The different origin is provable here[/url], the Kazah Madjar originates from the Arab Mädi-yar (followers of Mohamed) and not from the Hungarian's self name.

Maybe in the lunatic pan-Turkist theories, but the Sakhas were Iranian tribes, while the Huns were Turkic and of course zero Sakha live in the contemporary or other Carpathian basin. They were never wandering this far.


Zoran yazdı:Learn your history, Saka's were Iranian ...


Gilgamesh900 yazdı:Why bother? They claim that you have an identity issues and etc, and yet, why do they have this obsession in turkifying Iranian identity and culture?


I read those scholars very well, 7 out of the 9 building tribes are of Hun-Türk origin, accepting it takes balls doesnt it?

You are so ignorant and make so many logical mistakes. The sound/tone of Madjar(NOT madjra), Magyar, and Macar is completely the same. Only, expressing to(writing it down) it in a different language(English/Latin) causes for the differences between "GY", "DJ", "C".

You are very funny with such a non logical conclusion, i am laughing with my behind to all the trolls in this forum :)

The Oghuz(Oğuz) Türk dialect in Türkiye, uses the term "Macar" for present day Hungarians, the Kazakh tribe is also called "Macar"(Macar = Madjar = Magyar). Both are obviously the same tribe of Hun-Türk origin. The word/term has nothing to do with our Prophet Hazreti Muhammed(S.A.V.), it is very stupid to make such a dumb and bad intended assumption. Andras Biro Zsolt visited the members of this Macar Kazakh tribe, and researched their genealogies, with historical/linguistic approaches, and asked every single Macar Kazakh clan member about the origin of their name. The result was that it had nothing to do with the nonsense you are talking about, when Andras Biro Zsolt asked the Kazakhs about this, they also laughed with their behinds.

So, it is obvious, the Macars in Kazakhstan and the Macars in Hungary are the same. Accepting it or not, does not and will not change this simple but very important FACT.

I advise you to carefully listen to this lecture of Andras Biro Zsolt, it is both in Magyar and Turk language: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3oknoE35gU

The core tribes of the Huns(until 5th century AD) and later Turks(6th-14th centuries AD), were all proven to be of Sakha origin, there are many Persian/Iranian sources confirming that the Sakha's/Scythians were of Hun-Türk origin.

Read the topics of here [url="http://www.turktoresi.com/viewforum.php?f=2"]Ön Türk Tarihi Bölümü[/url] and the contents of here [url="http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12282"]Afrasyab Kengeres Bölgesinin Hükümdarı, Gök Türk Atasıdır[/url], to see that the Sakha, Huns and Turks are of the same origin.

Bilindiği üzere Türk hakanlığından önce kendilerini "Türk" olarak vasıflandıran tek hanedan Gök-Türk hanedanı yani, tarihi Aşina sülalesi idi. Nitekim, İslam kaynaklarında Türk hakanlığının menşei kabul edilen "Türk Afrasyab (Cüzcani i 1363: 140)"ın, Mesüdi'nin bir kaydına göre Aşina`nın bir kolundan geldiği anlaşılmaktadır (Mesüdi i ı985: 134).


In short, at the source of "Cüzcani i 1363: 140", the term "Türk Afrasyab" is used for the defining of the origin of the Sakha's/Saka's/Scythians. According to Mesüdi, the Sakha were the same as the medieval Turks leaded by the Ashina family.

László Bartosiewicz and Erika Gál show proof that the Scythians/Sakha's/Saka's were already present in the Great Hungarian Plain during the Iron Age, 700 – 500 BCE. Read the following paragraph at the page: [url="http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12296"]Scythians/Saka's were already in Hungary in the Iron Age[/url]

http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12296 yazdı:By the 5th–3rd c. BC, present-day Hungary fell under the inflence of three distinct cultural formations. While Scythian Period pastoralists still occupied the Great Hungarian Plain, the eastward expansion of Celtsreached the northern border of this area as the Eastern Hallstatt culture withdrew from Western Hungary.

The final Early Iron Age began around 750–700 BC, when western Hungary belonged to the self-contained Hallstatt culture (Szabó 1971, 10). In “The Histories” (5th c. BC), Herodotus (v. 9) mentioned Syginnae, who dwelt beyond the Danube and are identifid with the Scythians, whose culture fist emerged in the Great Hungarian Plain around the turn of the 7–6th c. BC (Kemenczei 2000, 51).

The same holds true for the Scythian assemblage from Balassagyarmat. This trend falls in line with the “steppe” character of Scythian culture. Cattle and horse bones occur in unexpectedly great numbers at sites in open landscape, Scythian Jászfelsőszentgyörgy in the Great Hungarian Plain and Sajópetri near the Tisza valley.
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Re: Türk Milleti'nin Dini Hakkında Tarihi Tespitler

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 24 Haz 2015, 17:07

Zoran yazdı:Garbage text ... Iba Bobula was probably some kind of Hungarian Pan-Turanist, not going to believe that shit.


blogen yazdı:Ida Bobula was a mentally ill (really) pan-sumerist Hungarian refugee without a scientific qualification in the United States and not a Hungarian scholar.


I am going to repeat my previous statement:

It does not matter whether you accept or ignore the facts. The facts are facts, anyone neutral with good intentions to find the truth, understands my points. Ignorant people can keep on with their ignorant brains, Atatürkists will keep on defending the thesis's whom show the real truth, dont worry about it :icon_wink:
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Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 24 Haz 2015, 17:13

Zoran yazdı:Those webpages are pan-Turanist for sure, not going to believe any of that bullshit :D


Haha, using violent words without arguments, only shows you accept the facts i presented in this topic. Pathetic..
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Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 24 Haz 2015, 17:26

blogen yazdı:Read my ass! The standpoint of the Hungarians science, based on these and other scholars is this: we don't know the proper origin of our tribes' names. Any theory is only baseless theory until today. Except the origin of the megyer tribe's name, because of that is a version of the Hungarians self name, the magyar.

And again: there is zero connection between those Kazah peoples and the Hungarians, the superficial similarity between these two name is only occasional.

ps. Many Iranian tribes lived on the Carpathian basin, mostly Scythians and Sarmatians, but not Saka tribes. These tribes were other tribes (Agathyrsi, Sigynnae, Iazyges, Roxolani, etc.)


I presented you all the facts point by point(with their Hungarian academic sources), in stead you simply choose to ignore it, this shows you are incompetent and bad intended. You can keep being bad intended, the truth and the facts stand as constant values which are not able to be altered by ignorant people like yourself.

The Sakha/Scytians were of Turk origin, i gave a clear example in my previous post, no point in the repeating of this, read my earlier post again and enlighten yourself.

Like you can see from my nickname "Acatziri", there is a secret message in it. The Acatziri(=Aghacheri=Agathyrsi) were one of the core/root tribes of the Huns of Attila(3th-5th centuries AD). This Hunnish Acatziri tribe is the same as the core/root Sakha/Saka/Scythian tribe Agathyrsi, and their descendants were the Aghacheri/Ağaçeri/Ağaçiri Hun-Türk tribe who was present in the Caucasian, Iranian and Türkiye regions in the late medieval periods. With the arrival of the Selcukids(of royal Hunnish origin) in Anatolia, these remnants of this Aghacheri/Ağaçeri/Ağaçiri Hun-Türk tribe also settled in present day Kahramanmaraş-Elbistan region.

You are so pathetic, Sycthian = Saka = Sakha. You were first denying that the Scythians came as far as Hungary, now after the facts i have presented, did you change your mind? It does not matter what your ignorant mind does, the truth and the facts stands for theirselves!
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blogen yazdı:Turkic science again... :D


You can only use 3 words, pathetic.
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Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 24 Haz 2015, 17:59

Zoran yazdı:Any guy with a brain can figure their shit out ... I'm waiting for the "Iranic ethnicity doesn't exist, they're all Semitic or Turkic" theory xD


Zoran yazdı:You can only use 6 words and one number, how pathetic lol.


Haha, only one sentence, and no arguments at all about the contents of the discussion. It really seems that there are so many trolls in this forum, like jackrussell earlier said.

These are the tactics and strategies of a Turk hating troll:

1. Just Ignore Everything
2. Put a few Smilies
3. Use a bit of violent and mockery words
4. Do not ever read the contents of the arguments the other side is presenting, or else you could also believe in it, because it is obvious they tell the truth, Just Ignore it
5. If you tell a lie big enough and Keep Repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

You are so easy to decipher, i know the pyschological strategies you are performing very well, and on the contrary i must say that you are only embarrasing yourself. Keep on with your off topic meaningless comments, the facts and truth stand for theirselves, they can not be altered by ignorant and bad intended people like yourself :)
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