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Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 28 May 2015, 02:16

ANAX yazdı:Modern Historical articles are good sources when supported and based accurately to original sources.

History is written from original sources.

if you do not care to read original sources, then this is your choice, not mine. it is that simple.

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Again an off topic message.
If you do not care to read the sources i have provided, if you dare to underestimate me, then just like i mentioned before have a look in the academic articles and books that are also referring to the same original sources which i shared in here. It is your incompetince if you cant find the statements in the sources i provided. I have to tell you, that you do not succeed in changing the subject, by posting the same off topic irrelevant messages, i am just ignoring you, dont take it personally. My arguments are solid, and are the fact, end of the point!
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Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 28 May 2015, 03:14

Psellos yazdı:Does Erdogan allow the access to Historum?

Forget about it, tell me one thing, how does it feel to be a proud slave of the US and the UK? How does it feel to be used like a toilet paper by other nations? Do you people know the meaning of "honour"? Does Obama give you money, or does he keep exploiting you, while you bleed to death from hunger? Is the one and only speciality of the Greeks and Armenian, "Hating Turks"? Do you have other achievements in the history?
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Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 28 May 2015, 03:38

Epintius yazdı:Better avoid writing like this cause we want to teach you some history about your own country. Banned people cant answer, it can happen fast in international forums, I have own experiences about , just believe.

To your question : The time will give you the best answers. I can tell you how it feels when most of your cities have turkisized greek names and your stones greek inscriptions.


Its the other way around, i am teaching you guys history. The proof for this, is your threat to ban me. Only people that cant properly answer the arguments of the other side begin threatening the other side or try to change the subject by commenting irrelevant messages. Thats very obvious, in stead of analyzing and discussing the facts i provide, that guy is questioning my sources, that is not how a scientific discussion works! If you try to manipulate the discussion with irrelevant messages, it means you have lost the grip of the discussion... end of the point...
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Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 28 May 2015, 04:21

ANAX yazdı:Thank you.

The refer of Eflaki for Rums of his time disconnect them from Turks.

This Muslim anecdote is quite symbolic. The Greek workmen represent the Christian society of local Rums of Asia Minor; the Turkish workmen symbolize the Turkmen nomads who caused such destruction and displacement to the Local Greek society. It was Jalal al-Din and his followers that save this description of Rums identity and local civilization. Thank Him for Ever.

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Let me show you the characteristics of the Christian(non Turk) society of local East Roman empire:

Armenians that were used as proud slave puppets by Russia and the US made one of the most tragic genocides on the Azerbaijani Turks, at 26 February 1992 in Khocali, Azerbaijan. The Christian(non Turk) society of local East Roman empire you are talking about killed in one single day hundreds of innocent babies, woman, old people and Azerbaijani soldiers that didnt have any weapons. These devils, took the eyes out of one-year-old babies! This is the personality of the Crusaders and the Christian medieval churches full with pedophile rapists.

During the Turk Selcukid and Ottoman periods peace was brought in the areas where Turks ruled. No racism, equal rights to all citizens, and the peace brought by the Alevi Turkmens with folk leaders like Haci Bektash Veli, Pir Sultan Abdal, Yunus Emre, and more.

Look at this noble statement of the Muslim Turkmen leader Haci Bektash Veli:

"Yolumuz; ilim, irfan ve insanlık sevgisi üzerine kurulmuştur." ("Our way; is based on science/knowledge, wisdom and the love for humanity"

This is what happens when Turks dont rule the Eurasian steppes:

Genocide on Turks at 26 February 1992 in Khocali, Azerbaijan:

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Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 28 May 2015, 04:45

Epintius yazdı:You easy forget what the Neoturks have done to the native populations of Anatolia.


Nothing, and the natives of Anatolia are the Proto Sumerians, Sumerians and the descendants of the Sumerians whom were all Proto Turks!

And, instead of blaming with falsified lies, a good human should first of all condemn this unhuman devilish genocide on Azerbaijani Turks, then say whatever you want to say! Accept it, this is the real personality of the Christian(non Turk) society of local East Roman / Byzantine empire. And lets look at another region, Iraq, which is presently not ruled by Turks, but ruled by the US. Since 2003 until 2015, 2.000.000 innocent people are massacred by the US, it is the greatest genocide in human history performed by the US regime comitted to the Muslim population. This kind of devilish and honourless acts, definitely did not, happen during the ruling period of the Selcukids and Ottomans! I mean, the UK already had the area of Iraq after WW1, why IN GOD'S NAME, should a the army of a state kill 2 million innocent people in 12 years if the country is already under their control? Let me answer, it is the way of ruling of the Western Germanic / Roman culture, exploiting, manipulating, justice only for the rich, and slave trade. Killing innocent people to make the rich US and UK companies more and more richer, isnt this what it is all about? When in the history of Turks, are killed 2 million innocent people in 12 years? Which media talks about these facts? Every day hundreds of Muslims are being killed by the US regime in Iraq and Afghanistan, do you guys care for this? Doesnt this hurt your hearths, or dont you have hearths, i think the final option is the right one!
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Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 29 May 2015, 00:03

Epintius yazdı:You delete your first answer which was a simple sentence like:

"Nothing! This natives was Sumerians, Prototurks."


Sorry, but you do not make any sense, i dont understand what you mean...
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Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 29 May 2015, 00:05

ANAX yazdı:There other threads for showing ethnic cleansing, and refer also to the ethnic cleansing of Local Greeks of Anatolia from Ottomans Turks in modern times , that brought destruction and displacement to the Local Greek society at (1914–23). Greek genocide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This ethnic cleansing by Turks also confirms the words of Jalal al-Din and His love for the local civilization of local Greeks of Asia minor/Anatolia, and his opinion disconnecting any about anything Turkish descent to local Greeks.

Rumi knew Rums very well, and has different opinion than yours for the Rums of Anatolia (disconnecting them complete from Turks) :

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..."Effendi Salah al-Din, said the Master [Rumi], you must hire Greek workmen for this construction. It is for the work of demolition that Turkish workmen must be hired. For the construction of the world is special to the Greeks, and the demolition of this same world is reserved to the Turks. When God created the universe, he first made the carefree infidels. He gave them a long life and considerable force in such a fashion... that in the manner of paid workmen they constructed the earthly world. They erected numerous cities and mountain fortresses...so that after centuries these constructions serve as models to the men of recent times. But divine predestination has disposed of affairs in such a way that little by little the constructions become ruins. He created the people of the Turks in order to demolish, without respect or pity, all the constructions which they see. They have done this and are still doing it. They shall continue to do it day in and day out until the day of the Resurrection." ... Eflaki, II, 208-9.

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The refer of Eflaki for Rums of his time disconnect them from Turks.

This Muslim anecdote is quite symbolic. The Greek workmen represent the Christian society of local Rums of Asia Minor; the Turkish workmen symbolize the Turkmen nomads who caused such destruction and displacement to the Local Greek society. It was Jalal al-Din and his followers that save this description of Rums identity and local Greek civilization.

Thank Him for Ever.

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This reply shows you are a bad intended, off topic message writing simple person. I got you there, you can not make any influence to the discussion by trying to change the subject. You do not have any kind of value, i am just ignoring you...
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Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 29 May 2015, 00:36

Epintius yazdı:That justifies nothing did I maybe denie the genocide that was done from the Neoturks to the Armenians and the Greeks?

When by this massacres you write about was killed thousands people in the genocide done by the NEoturks was killed millions.

What you try to turn arround and present in another light?

In any case they excist different threads about.

Should I now take him serious?

Have you seen any from the Turks of KAsachstan, Siberia the Uighurs or them who still are of old turanic culture and religion?

You maybe want some photos to see how they look and how they live in compare to the Turks of Anatolia and also the "Proto Turkish - Summerians"


Do you believe in the system of the European Court of Human Rights? Read the following file and url for the decision of the European Court of Human Rights:

hudoc.echr.coe.int/webservices/content/pdf/003-4613832-5581451

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Read this statement of the court:

The Court took the view that the term “genocide” as used in the relevant Article of the Swiss Criminal Code was likely to raise doubts as to the precision required by Article 10 § 2 of the Convention. The Court nevertheless agreed with the Federal Court that Mr Perinçek could not have been unaware that by describing the Armenian genocide as an “international lie”, he was exposing himself on Swiss territory to a criminal sanction “prescribed by law”.

The Court pointed out that it was not called upon to address either the veracity of the massacres and deportations perpetrated against the Armenian people by the Ottoman Empire from 1915 onwards, or the appropriateness of legally characterising those acts as “genocide”, within the meaning of the relevant Article of the Criminal Code.

In this connection, the Court clearly distinguished the present case from those concerning the negation of the crimes of the Holocaust.

We Turks did not commit any genocide. Armenians betrayed the Turks and Kurds with whom they were neighbours for thousand years. It was the 1st World War, and the Ottoman Army was battling against the English, French and Russian allies. During this time of war, the Armenians did not fight for their homeland(the Ottoman Empire in which they were living), in stead in a treacherously way, they betrayed the Turks. While the majority of Turkish and Kurdish men were in duty of the Ottoman Army, Armenian terrorists openly joined the side of the English, French and Russian army. They killed innocent woman and children in villages were there were few men left, because most of the men joined the Ottoman Army. The Armenian terrorists destroyed complete cities like Van and Erzurum. Much worse, they wore the uniforms of the Russian and French Army. While the Ottoman Army was busy with the 1st WW, the Armenian and Greek traitors stabbed the Ottoman population in the back. What the Ottoman State did was even humanly, look at what the Russian and US puppet Armenians did in Khocali? The Ottoman State only deported the traitors that stabbed the Ottoman state in the back. This has nothing to do with genocide. The Armenians tried to divide and weaken the Ottoman state from the inner side to make their owners(the English and the Tsar Russians), and the Armenians and their masters were the ones that committed a Muslim Genocide during the 1st WW, the Turks only defended their country, during war, if the enemy tries to kill you, you have to defend your country, this is what we Turks did, the English and their Greek and Armenian puppets tried to kill us and take over our country, and we did not let this happen, and had a victory against them after the Turk War of Independence.

Also, there are thousands of documents in the Russian and US Archives, which shows the exact numbers of Armenians whom were deported to Syria(also Ottoman region at that time), and from here to the US and other countries. The numbers show that there is NO KIND OF A GENOCIDE, the population number of the people safely deported is the same as the number of Armenians that lived in Ottoman country before the 1st World War.

Of course, every human that dies, we should be upset about it, but this was a World War, and if you try to take over the country of the weakened dumb Ottoman dynasty, then the Turks will not surrender, and will defend their country, and that is what we did successfully! End of the Point!
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Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 29 May 2015, 00:49

Tulun yazdı:I'm in no way favoring wild theories linking Sumerian to Turkish (or Hungarian etc), but comparing photos of modern peoples and the argument that Kazakhs, Uyghurs etc are somehow frozen in time and are therefore the original/authenthic is imo a faulty view. They were also the subject of various conquests, intermixings, immigrations,emigrations and assimilations just like the Turks of Turkey. Both peoples present genetic and anthropologic features were formed,changed in the last 1000+ years and sometimes quite recently (for example the present day territory of Turkey recieved millions of refugees-immigrants during 19th-20th century from the Balkans, Crimea and the Caucasus, but the Central Asian Turkic peoples also experienced Mongol rule and more recently Russian colonization.


So, just for once, use your logics, everyone accept the fact that the Sumerian language is not an Indo-European(Aryan,....) and not a Semitic language, and the Sumerian language is an Uralic-Altaic language that originally came from Central Asia? Who could these Sumerians be? Did they fly out of the sky? Were they aliens from planet Mars?

If someone tells that Turks of Türkiye do not look like Turks in Central Asia, then THEY ARE WRONG. And to proof their wrong i used this set of photos to show you why they are wrong! You cannot make faulty assumptions like this if you did not visit all the villages in Türkiye and other Central Asian countries, or if you are not some kind of a specialist in this subject.

No, what you are doing is, focusing bad intendendly only on the Turkish Nation. Like i said before, there is currently NOT EVEN ONE NATION in which has only been found ONE Y-HAPLOGROUP. Genetic Mutations occured tens of thousands of years ago. For example all haplogroups from L to T are originated from the root haplogroup K-M9. What if the people kept living together during the Proto Turk times(Paleolithic), even after the occurence of several new mutations? How could the people of the Paleolithic know about the occurrence of genetic mutations? Why should certain groups not keep living together?

I tell you again, every single Y-haplogroup that is found among the Türkiye Turks is also found in high frequencies among the Central Asian, East Asian, Caucasian, Balkan Turk tribes. If you have any objections to this statement, write down your arguments, which haplogroups found among the Türkiye Turks is not found in other Turk tribes?
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Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

Mesajgönderen TurkmenCopur » 29 May 2015, 00:59

antocya yazdı:I know this is way off topic but how was the USA involved in the Karabakh war?

It was a solid reply to user with nickname Anax that claimed wrongly and offtopicly that Turks caused only destruction. You know this, but still you guys keep on with your sneaky and bad intended messages :)

Who was responsible for the collapse of the Soviet Union? Weren't the late Soviet statesmen like Mikhail Gorbachev, CIA spies? I think you know what i mean. The main focus and the main fear of the Russian and US states, were and still is(but is inevitable) the creation of the Turk Union(from East to West Eurasia). The politics of the intelligence agencies of the Russian and US states during the Karabakh War, was build upon these fears. Did you know that the ASALA terrorist organization was created by the US government(CIA)? Did you know that the core of the PKK terrorist organization consisted of Armenian soldiers and secret US and Israel spies? Did you that the PKK terrorist organization was also created and still managed and supported by the CIA?
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