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Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

MesajGönderilme zamanı: 15 Tem 2015, 07:52
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Witness yazdı:Then why Seljuks fought Fatimids and Buheyvids with so much passion? The mass of Turks didnt really practice any religion as they were nomads. However descendants of Seljuk, the rulers were like 'Umayyads, as you call them, Mutazilah.They brought Turks here with those ideals.

World Conquest, it is a Turk nationalist movement, ruling a state has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with politics. You have to look at how the populations are organized(living styles, the effects and power of the public leaders, the peacefull and justice relations between the state/dynasty, public leaders and the population) after the conquest of the regions by the Seljukids. The states of the Seljukids and also the first period of Ottomans, had an organized system which relied on the public leaders that believed and conducted the "Alevi" system principles whom were created by Mansur al-Halladj(858 - 922), Khoja Akhmet Yassawi(1093-1166) and Haji Bektash Veli(1209 - 1271). The Seljukid and Ottoman dynasties and their Turk Army conquers a region, then the Alevi public sect leaders spreaded humanism, peace and equal rights to the complete population(without any kind of racism), based on the mixed principles of the Older Turk Culture and the Real Islam of our Prophet Hazreti Muhammed(S.A.V.)(is equal to the Ehli-Beyt Principles and the fact that Hazreti Ali having been ordered by our Prophet Hazreti Muhammed to be the First Caliph).

The Seljukid dynasty believed first in the Judaism religion, when they were part of the Khazar Turk Empire. The names of the first Seljukid Sultans showed clearly that they were believing in the Judaism religion. The names of the associated Seljukid Sultans were Arslan/Israil/Israel Yabgu(1032), Musa/Moses Yabgu(1047), Mikail Yabgu(1037), Yınal/Yusuf/Joseph Yabgu. The first Seljukid dynasty was part of the Khazars, and later part of the Oghuz Yabgu state, and later they became an independent state.

Looking at the Wars between the Khazars and the Umayyads and Abbasids, we can see that it was the Khazar dynasty whom caused for the indirect collapse of the Umayyad dynasty and the begin of the Abbasid dynasty. Since the Seljukid dynasty was part of the Khazars, it means that the Seljukids were enemies with the Umayyads and the Abbasids.

Later, when the Fatimid and Buhayvi states became stronger, the Abbasid state was weakened, doomed to fall apart, and sought help of the Seljukid dynasty. The goal of the Seljukid dynasty was World Conquest, so they used the Abbasid dynasty as a symbolic puppet, and became the real ruler and took control of the regions earlier ruled by the Abbasids. The Abbasid dynasty had no military and political power anymore, they were only functioning as symbolic puppets for the Seljukid Empire. Hereby, the Seljukids expanded their Empire.

At the beginning of the period of between the 10th-13th centuries AD, the Seljukid Turk population believed in the Sky TENGRI religion. The Turk population became little by little Muslims because of their believe in the principles of Mansur al-Halladj(858 - 922), Khoja Akhmet Yassawi(1093-1166) and Haji Bektash Veli(1209 - 1271). We must accept the fact that the reason the Seljukid dynasty changed religions was for political world conquest reasons. Just like the transition of the Seljukid dynasty to the Judaism, the transition to the Islam, were both performed for political world conquest reasons. The principles of Mansur al-Halladj(858 - 922), Khoja Akhmet Yassawi(1093-1166) and Haji Bektash Veli(1209 - 1271) were the fundamental principles which caused for the real Islamic believe among the Turks and defined to which Islamic sect the Seljukids(also other Turk populations like the Karakhanids) and their Turk population belonged to.

Lets describe the contents of the principles of the sect created by Mansur al-Halladj(858 - 922), Khoja Akhmet Yassawi(1093-1166) and Haji Bektash Veli(1209 - 1271) in a simple understandable way:

1. "The Conducting of Turk Nationalism, which includes Talking and Writing in the Turk Language, Defending the Old Turk Culture and Historical Values, World Conquest, Peace and making the Sky TENGRI religion a part of the Turk cultural traditions, "

2. "The Believe in the Real Islamic principles of our Prophet Hazreti Muhammed(S.A.V.) and Hazreti Ali, and the Hate Against the Umayyads, the Sunni Umayyad religion(Fake Islam) and their followers who massacred all descendants(Ehl-i Beyt / Ahl al-Bayt) of our Prophet Hazreti Muhammed(S.A.V.) and Hazreti Ali only for the goal of increasing their personal/dynasty political and economical power"

These fundamentals were the ones that builded the beginning of the Ottoman Empire(1299-1918). The Yeniçeri(Janissaries) Armed Forces builded the Ottoman state together with the first Ottoman sultans. The Yeniçeri(Janissaries) Armed Forces was an Army build upon the principles of Haji Bektash Veli(1209 - 1271)(which is based on the principles of earlier Khoja Akhmet Yassawi(1093-1166), which is based on the principles of earlier Mansur al-Halladj(858 - 922) ). Why do you think that Khoja Akhmet Yassawi(1093-1166) was sentimentally very important for the Cingizids and the Timurid dynasties?

The Seljukids were the ones that brought down(put an end to) the Abbasid Empire. The Abbasids performed many unsuccesful riots against the Seljukid Rule. How could the Seljukids be Sunni or even friends(feel sympathy for their principles) with the Abbasids, if the Abbasids rebelled against the Seljukids? How could the Seljukids be really Sunni, if they took control over the final Abbasid state of the Umayyads and made a useless puppet of the Abbasid dynasty? How could the Seljukid dynasty whom were earlier Judaism believers be Sunni, if their Oghuz Turkmen population and the Seljukid public leaders believed in the Turk-Islamic principles of Mansur al-Halladj(858 - 922), Khoja Akhmet Yassawi(1093-1166) and Haji Bektash Veli(1209 - 1271)?

To give an important example of the Seljukid dynasty sultans:

"Seljukid Sultan Ahmed Sencer(1086 - 1157), showed his loyalty to Yusuf El-Hemedânî(1048-1140) at each occasion. Who was this Yusuf El-Hemedânî? Yusuf El-Hemedânî was the teacher of Khoja Akhmet Yassawi(1093-1166). The graves of both Yusuf El-Hemedânî and Seljukid Sultan Ahmed Sencer are located in Turkmenistan-Merv."

So, how could the Seljukid dynasty believe in the Sunni Umayyad religion(Fake Islam), if Seljukid Sultan Ahmed Sencer believed in and fully followed the principles of Khoja Akhmet Yassawi(1093-1166), which is 100% against the Sunni Umayyad religion(Fake Islam)?

By the way, not to forget to mention the fact that Ebu Hanife(699-767) hated the Fake Islamic principles of the Umayyad dynasty(=Sunni).

The Ayyubids were allies of the Seljukids, and they put an end to the Sii Fatimid state. The Seljukids put an end to the Sunni Abbasid state. Both the armies and population of the Sii Fatimid state and the Sunni Abbasid state were associated and full with many Turk tribes and dynasties like the Tolunid Turks and the Mamluk Turks.

In fact, the Seljukid dynasty and the later Ottoman(follower of Seljukids), Cingizid and Timurid dynasties united all Muslims within a peaceful rule of Turk empires. The beginning of the Ottoman dynasty, the Safavids and Timurids were the ones that made the Principles of Mansur al-Halladj(858 - 922), Khoja Akhmet Yassawi(1093-1166) and Haji Bektash Veli(1209 - 1271) (Principles of the Real Islam and the Real Turk Nationalism) the official constitution of the Turk states/empires which caused for the union of all Muslims, but later ended in a fight between several Turk dynasties.

We see now, that the Umayyads and the Abbasids were the representives of the Fake-Islam. But what about the Fatimids?

-Hazreti Muhammed(S.A.V.): 570-632
-Hazreti Ali(Ali bin Ebû Talib): 599 — 661

Sons and Grandsons of Hazreti Ali:

-Hasan ibn Ali: 625–670
-Husayn ibn Ali: 626–680
-Ali ibn Husayn Zayn al-Abidin: 659 - 713

Ismailiye Sect Builders:

-Ca'fer es-Sâdık(Son of Muhammed el-Bakır, grandson of Zayn al-Abidin): 699 - 765
-İsmâil bin Câ'fer el-Mûbarek(Son of Ca'fer es-Sâdık): 719 - 762

Fatimid State:

Fatimid State: 909 - 1171: Founded by Abdullah al-Mahdi Billah(Muhammed Mehdi)(Abd-Allāh/Obayd-Allāh al-Mahdī)(Followers of İsmâil bin Câ'fer el-Mûbarek, and descendants of Ca'fer es-Sâdık)

First of all, between the Fatimid State and İsmâil bin Câ'fer el-Mûbarek and Ca'fer es-Sâdık(also killed by the Umayyads/Abbasids) is 144 years, which is a long period of time. The Umayyad dynasty killed most ruling descendants of Hazreti Muhammed(S.A.V.) and Hazreti Ali. Thats why the equalness of the principles of the Fatimids with the principles of Ca'fer es-Sâdık and İsmâil bin Câ'fer el-Mûbarek(latest final ruling descendants of Hazreti Muhammed(S.A.V.) )is very debatable and doubtful.

Lets analyze an important example showing the character of the Fatimid state:

The Fatimid state allied with and trusted the Christian Crusaders and the Christian Byzantine state, against the Muslim Seljukids, during the First Crusade (1096-99). While the Muslim Seljukids were busy with their succesfull battle against the Christian Crusaders, the Fatimid state had chosen to be on the side of the Christian Crusaders.

The main evidence for the alliance between the Christian Crusaders and the Muslim Fatimids lies in a delegation the Fatimids sent to the Crusaders while they were camped outside Antioch. Albert of Aachen, for example, describes how the Fatimid ruler, "sent fifteen envoys who were skilled in different languages to the army of the living God, about a mutual alliance for peace and his kingdom."

This shows that religion has nothing to do with the ruling of a state. It is all about the political and economical power. Why would the Muslim Fatimid state form an alliance with the Christian Crusaders(whom wants to kill all Muslims) and the Byzantines against the Muslim Seljukid Turks, if their goal was religious? Is this not the same kind of treason like the Umayyads and Abbasids performed earlier? Yes, it is.

The Fatimid dynasty thought that if they trusted and allied with the Christian Crusaders, they could defeat the Muslim Seljukids, and share these Seljukid territories/regions(which were earlier ruled by the Muslim Seljukids) together with the Christian Crusaders. But, the fact is that this treason caused for the decreasing and end of the Fatimid state, because the Christian Crusaders did not act positively like the Fatimids were thinking. The Christian Crusaders hated all Muslims(wanted to kill all Muslims if possible, which was not possible of course), but the Muslim Fatimids preferred the Christians as allies in stead of the Muslim Seljukids. Later, the Ayyubids whom took the regions of earlier Fatimids, allied with the Seljukids against the Christian Crusaders, which resulted in a final victory of the Muslim Seljukids against the Christian Crusaders.

Source: [url="http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=12319&p=15669#p15669"]Türkler ve Gerçek İslam[/url]

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Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

MesajGönderilme zamanı: 16 Tem 2015, 07:56
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Nabatea1 yazdı:The Seljuks were Sunni Muslims, whatever faith they had before Judaism or Christianity is no matter here.

The Seljukid Sultan Ahmed Sencer(1086 - 1157) always expressed his belief and loyalty to Yusuf El-Hemedânî(1048-1140). Yusuf El-Hemedânî was the teacher of Khoja Akhmet Yassawi(1093-1166). Khoja Akhmet Yassawi was definitely not Sunni.

So, how could the Seljukid dynasty believe in the Sunni Umayyad religion(Fake Islam), if Seljukid Sultan Ahmed Sencer believed in and fully followed the principles of Khoja Akhmet Yassawi(1093-1166), which is 100% against the Sunni Umayyad religion(Fake Islam)?

Nabatea1 yazdı:The fact also is that the Fatamids were a Shia Arab dynasty that followed the Ismaili branch.

The fact is that the Fatimids united with the Christian Crusaders, and became allies with the Byzantines and the Christian Crusaders in order to fight against and share the Muslim Seljukid regions with the Christian Crusaders(which ended in a disaster of course), and hereby performed treason.

Ask yourself the following question: Would Hazreti Muhammed(S.A.V.), Hazreti Ali(Ali bin Ebû Talib), Hasan ibn Ali, Husayn ibn Ali, Ali ibn Husayn Zayn al-Abidin, Ca'fer es-Sâdık(Son of Muhammed el-Bakır, grandson of Zayn al-Abidin) and İsmâil bin Câ'fer el-Mûbarek(Son of Ca'fer es-Sâdık), unite with Christian Crusaders who wanted to kill all Muslims? No.

Then, how could the Fatimids be the followers of the principles of of Hazreti Muhammed(S.A.V.), Hazreti Ali(Ali bin Ebû Talib), Hasan ibn Ali, Husayn ibn Ali, Ali ibn Husayn Zayn al-Abidin, Ca'fer es-Sâdık(Son of Muhammed el-Bakır, grandson of Zayn al-Abidin) and İsmâil bin Câ'fer el-Mûbarek(Son of Ca'fer es-Sâdık)? This treason has proven that the Fatimids were not their followers.

And lets put aside the meaningless labels like "Sii" and "Sunni", there is only one single Islam, which is the Islam of Hazreti Muhammed(S.A.V.). After Hazreti Muhammed(S.A.V.) and the killing of Hazreti Ali and their ruling descendants, all the goal of all Islamic states was "politics" and "world conquest". The Turks were the ones, that united all Muslim groups by conquering all regions. The Turks were the ones, that gave peace to all Muslim groups in stead of eating each other. The Turks were the ones, that defended the Islam and all Muslim groups against the Crusaders. The same happened during the First World War and the Turk War of Independence, the Arabs ally with the British, and the Turks defend their independency and the existance of the Islam with the heroic battle and victory against the British.

The Seljukids were not Sunni, nor were they Sii, they were newly converted to the Islam, and only believed in the principles of the Real Islam of Hazreti Muhammed(S.A.V.) which i described earlier. The purpose for all relations with several Islamic groups was strictly "politically" related. A dynasty that is Sunni, will not fight the Umayyads and the Abbasids for centuries together with the Khazars, and then finally conquer them by making the Abbasid dynasty useless puppets of theirselves.

A dynasty whom believes in the principles of Khoja Akhmet Yassawi(1093-1166) can never be Sunni.

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Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

MesajGönderilme zamanı: 16 Tem 2015, 08:01
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Nabatea1 yazdı:The Kurdish Auyybuids who were Arabized chose Sunni Islam and revitalized it in Egypt and the regions they had under their control, and yes they allied with the Seljuks.

http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=12320 yazdı:Saladin, "Salahaddin Yusuf ibn Ayyub" and the "Ayyubid Dynasty" is of Turk Ethnic Origin

Selahaddin Eyyubi ve Eyyubi Hanedanı Türk Kökenlidir

1. The Names of the Brothers of Selahaddin Eyyubi is of Turk Origin

Selahaddin Eyyubi and the Ayyubid dynasty was of Turk origin. The names "Böri/Buri", "Tuğtekin", "Turanşah" and "Şahinşah" of his brothers obviously proof that the Ayyubid dynasty was of Turk origin. Böri/Buri means "Wolf" which is the same word as the name of the clan of Genghis Khan, "Bori-Tegin". We should think, why did the Arabic dynasties(whom were puppets of the Seljukids) not have (so obviously) Turk names, and on the contrary, why does the Ayyubid Dynasty have so many important and Names of obviously Turk origin? How can it be reasonable and logical, that such a strong dynasty and ruler like the Ayyubid Dynasty and Selahaddin Eyyubi, will be forced to use Turk names? The reason for the use of Turk names is clearly because of the Turk ethnic origin of the Ayyubid Dynasty.

2. The Region Ruled by the Ayyubids, is also ruled by Other Turk Dynasties in Different Periods

We must accept the inevitable fact that the Ayyubids are just like the Tolunid and the Kipchak Mamlukid dynasties of Turk origin. The Tolunid and the Kipchak Mamlukid dynasties ruled in the same regions as the Ayyubids, this is not a coincidence. It is not a coincidence that Egypt was first ruled by the Tulunids between 868-905 AD, then ruled during several periods by the first Mamluks between 935 - 969 AD, and then ruled by the Ayyubids between 1171 - 1250 AD, and then again ruled by the Mamluks between 1250 - 1517. We should understand that these dynasties were all of Turk origin.

3. The Huns(=Turks), Iran, Azerbaijan, Divin, Balasagun, Mugan, Belasegân(Balasagun) and the Turk Ethnic Origin Of the Ayyubid Dynasty

Also, in several other occasions in this forum i have proven that the Kurds around the Iranian and Azerbaijan regions themselves were an obvious Hunnic tribe.

A- The name "Kürt" is described in the Hunnic-Türk Yenisei Inscriptions located in the Altaian and South Siberian regions and dated between the 400 - 700 AD.

B- According to Gyula Németh, there were 9 tribes whom contributed for the building(830 AD) of the Hungarian State(9th-10th centuries). 7 tribes were of Hunnic-Türk origin, and 2 were of Finno-Ugric origin.

Tribes with Hunnic-Türk origin: "Kabar, Kürt, Gyarmat, Taryan, Yene, Ker, Keszi"

Tribes with Finno-Ugric origin: Nyek, Megyef

C- According to Györffy Istvan, the following subgroups of the 7 tribes with Hun-Türk origin(Kabar, Kürt, Gyarmat, Taryan, Yene, Ker ve Keszi) also were of Hun-Türk origin: Jalançak, Çertan (Çortan), Kondam, Borçol (Boroç oğlu), Yopogo (Yabagu), Ulaş

D- It is also obvious that the Szekely tribe of the 12th century was of Hunnic-Türk origin.

E- The dynasty of Arpad was of the Kabar tribe of the Khazars who were of Hunnic-Türk origin. The dialect spoken by the Kabars was close to the Bulgarian dialect, and both were of Hunnic-Türk language origin.

F- What is the oldest historical evidence for the Kurdish language? Did you know that the Turkmens and Kurds were both called Etrak and Ekrad, and does it not seem to you that the words "Türk" and "Kürt" are so similar? Yes, it does, if you puzzle with the word "Kürt", you can find the word "Türk", and vice versa. The oldest historical Kurdish scripts are of the 15th-17th centuries AD(source: Bruinessen, http://www.hum.uu.nl/medewerkers/m.vanbruinessen/publications/Bruinessen_Evliya_ve_Kurtce_lehceleri.pdf. Why are there no earlier examples? The reason for this is because the Kurds are not a different nation, they are a tribe of the Hunnic-Turks, therefore it is not possible to find scientific ancient Kurdish scripts older than the 15th-17th centuries AD.

G- The Hephthalite White Huns, settled/migrated from the Caucasian regions into the region of Mugan(located presentday Azerbaijan-Iran)(also called Belasegân) at 445 AD. The Arabic sources confirm this event and call the Mugan region as Belasegân. This name is the same as the name found in Central Asia: Balasagun. The Huns who settled in Mugan were called Khaylen-durk, the final part meaning "Turk". The Arabic sources mention that the same people(The White Hunnic Turks) who lived in this region in the 7th century AD, were named "Kurds". The meaning of the word "Kürt" is "Nomads who are busy with herds", and is not equal to an ethnic term.

So the Kurds were obviously nomadic Huns who spoke a Turk language, and who were later called Kurds or Ekrads by Arabians. The Khalach Turk tribe of the Khorasan-Kuhistan region who is obviously of Turk origin was also called Ekrad/Akrad. In time, just like the Selcukid dynasty(also of royal Hunnic origin) did, they started talking/mixing the Persian and Turk language, which ended in the sub languages like Kurmanci.

The origin of the word "Kurmanc" is linguistically obvious the same with the Turk word "Kuman". Look at the name of former Kyrgyzstan president "Kurmanbek Bakiyev".


H- The grandfather of Selahaddin Eyyubi(=Şadi) settled into Baghdad coming from the Divin region located in Azerbaijan. The genealogy family tree of the Ayyubids does not go earlier then Şadi, during 11th-12th centuries AD. So, Azerbaijan is the homeland of the Ayyubid Dynasty.

I- After the invading and destroying of the capital Berda/Barda by the Russians at 944 AD, the region "Gence" developped, and became the centre of Aran.

The Islamic sources which mention the details of this disaster at 944 AD, and have written that during the 10th Century AD, at the regions of "Barda", "Gence" and the "Divin Centre in the Revan Plain", the "Nomadic Kurds" lived in here.

J- The ancient geographer Estakhri(... - 957 AD), writes that before the disaster at 944 AD, the borders between Barda and Georgia-Tiflis, was called "The Gate of the Kurds"(Bab - Ül Ekrad).

K- Ancient geographer İbn'ül A'sam'ül - Kufi(9th - 10th century AD), had travelled the "Aran" region at 926 AD, and have written that the Language spoken in Aran was the Khazarian Turkish Language.

L- 27 kilometers from South-East of Revan, city ruins were found. At the ancient source/book of Dede Korkut(Korkut Ata)(it is possible that Korkut Ata lived as early as the 6th-7th centuries AD, maybe lived in the following centuries), the capital of the Khazan-Han family is named "Altun - Takht", which is equal to the Divin(Dibin) city.

The "Ordu Başbuğları" family was of the Kurd tribe named the "Divin Ravad's". These Ravad Kurds were called "Ekfadü-Ravvdiyye" in the Arabic Islamic sources. These Ravad Kurds(Kurd is not an ethnic term) were a Hunnic-Turk tribe of the White Hunnic(Ephtalit/Abdalid) Khaylen-Turks from the Belasegân/Balasagun/Balasakan(Mugan) region(name of the region = name of the tribe).

By the way, as a little note: "The words like 'Revan, Ravan, Revad, Ravad, Ravvdiyye' and 'Divin, Dvin, Duvin' are all synonym variations of each other".

M- When "Muhammed bin Şeddad bin Kartuk"(10th century AD) from the Ravad Kurds, settled in Gence, at 951 AD, and dominated the environment, the "Şeddad" family was build whom would last until 1200 AD. Later, during the Anatolian conquest of Seljukid Sultan Alp Arslan, this "Şeddad" family helped the Seljukid Turks. Thats why the Seljukids gave the "Ani" city to them, and after this the "Şeddad" family settled in Ani, and were called from now on the "Ani Şeddad's". They builded a state between the borders of Gence, Divin and Ani, and contributed many Turk-Islam sources/works. Because of the Kipchak and Georgian invasions at 1124 AD, the "Şeddad" family had to leave their current regions. Together with Turk - Muslim families, "Necmeddin Eyyub bin Şadi bin Mervan"(the Father of Selahaddin Eyyubi) whom was from the Leşkergeş(Başbuğ) Dynasty, migrated to and settled in the Tekrit(Tikrit) region of Iraq. This is where Selahaddin Eyyubi was born at 1138 AD.

N- The reason for the obviously Turk names of the brothers of Selahaddin Eyyubi Yusuf like "Böri/Buri", "Tuğtekin", "Turanşah" and "Şahinşah", is because the Ayyubid Dynasty was of White Hunnic(Ephtalit/Abdalid) Khaylen-Turk origin from the Belasegân/Balasagun/Balasakan region in Azerbaijan.

4. Ancient Historian Ibn Kesir(1301 - 1373)

The ancient source named "El Bidaye Ve'n Nihaye" is written by ancient historian Ibn Kesir(1301 - 1373) about the Islamic History. In the "El Bidaye Ve'n Nihaye" source, Ibn Kesir mentions in several places, that Selahaddin Eyyubi(Ṣalāḥuddin Yūsuf ibn Ayyūb) was of "Turk" ethnic origin. Ibn Kesir does not mention anything about the Kurd origin of Selahaddin Eyyubi.

A- During the Events in the Year 1171, the Kenz Dynasty leader was busy collecting soldiers in Aswan for the goal of rebuilding the Fatimid state, and talks about Selahaddin Eyyubi with the following sentence: "I will devastate the Turk Atabeg".

B- During the Events in the Year 1163, the Uncle of Selahaddin Eyyubi(=Esedüddin Şirkuh) takes the son of his brother(=Selahaddin Eyyubi Yusuf) with him to Egypt. The ancient Poet Hasan writes about this event in his Poem, and defines Selahaddin Eyyubi and Esedüddin Şirkuh having a Turk Ethnic Origin with this sentence: "The Turkish owners, have gone on to Egypt to fight against the Arabs".

[b]5. Nurettin Zengi, Selahaddin Eyyubi Yusuf and Esedüddin Şirkuh[/b]

Selahaddin Eyyubi Yusuf and his uncle Esedüddin Şirkuh, worked for years under the dynasty of Nurettin Zengi. The Zengi Dynasty was obviously of Turk origin.

6. Selahaddin Eyyubi spoke the Turk Language

The 11th-12th centuries AD ancient source of Üsame İbn Münkız, joined many wars together with Selahaddin Eyyubi. In his work named "Kitab El-İtibar", he mentions that at a specific moment, Selahaddin Eyyubi spoke the Turk Language with someone, and Üsame İbn Münkız did not understand what they were talking about.

7. Ibn Attar and the Ayyubid Turk Dynasty

The ancient source of Ibn Attar and several other sources, writes the following sentence: "After the end of the Fatimids, there is a transition from the Fatimid Reign, to the Turk Reign". In here, clearly the Ayyubids are equal to the Turk ethnic origin.

At another ancient poem written at 1182 AD, the following is written about the successful achievements of Selahattin Eyyubi: "Because of the reign of the Turks, the reign of the Arabs became strong and reputable".

8. Ali İbnü'l-Esîr İbn'ül-Esîr, İbn Senaü'l-Mülk, Ayyubid Turk State

Several ancient historians like Ali İbnü'l-Esîr İbn'ül-Esîr (1160-1233) and İbn Senaü'l-Mülk (1155-1212), have defined the Ayyubid state as "Devlet-ül Türk"(Turk State). The same "name" was also given to the Mamlukid state. The Mamlukid dynasty was just like the Ayyubid and Tulunid dynasties of Turk origin.

9. Western European Sources, Saladin The Turk

Many ancient Middle Age Western European historians like Nathan ben Saddi(1740), Phillip Dormer Stanhope(1694 - 1773) and Robert Dodsley(1704 - 1764) have written sources/books(like "the Chronicle of the kings of England") with the following sentence: "And he(Richard I of England) overcame Saladin the Turk in many battles, and he too kfrom him three thousand camels, and four thousand horses and mules". The term "Saladin the Turk" is many times used by the ancient Middle Age Western European historians.

Source: Saladin, "Salahaddin Yusuf ibn Ayyub" and the "Ayyubid Dynasty" is of Turk Ethnic Origin

Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

MesajGönderilme zamanı: 16 Tem 2015, 22:40
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Witness yazdı:They were Shafi Sunnis. So Ayyubids were Kurds or Yemeni Arabs not Turks. Saladin stole power from Turks though, Zengids were Turks also Sunnis but Hanefi not Shafis. He was weak this is why Crusaders like him. Nothing like Seljuks, Zengids or Kipchak Mamluks.

Nabatea1 yazdı:He was not a Turk, but a Kurd.

Ölüezgi yazdı:His mom was Turk. Besides, his brothers have Turkic names. Saladin's Kurdishness was just a symbolic beacuse he was from a Kurdified clan.

I am such an admirer(being sarcastic :) ) of your short trolling messages without any kind of serious argument, and i really love the way you guys do not react on the contents of my arguments. Not to forget that i really admire the way you are denying with such a convincing long argument(again being sarcastic :) ). Seriously, isnt there any other user on this forum that is willing to conduct a scientific non trolling discussion?

There is an article with 9 items proving the Turk ethnic origin of Selahaddin Eyyubi. I hope some of you are healthy enough to enlighten theirself with these important data and sources.

Ölüezgi yazdı:No one gives a shit about you. We are talking each other. Buzz off.

Then why react to my topic, if you dont care? Is your only goal trolling? How much do you guys get paid for this, seriously i want to know.

Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

MesajGönderilme zamanı: 16 Tem 2015, 23:11
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jackrussell yazdı:Factually speaking , I give a shit .


I liked the thread , good read , well argued and balanced it seems .

I am also not sure whether the explanations of how Selahaddin's brothers names are Turk in origin makes any difference at all .

It is a part of the facts. There are so many obvious signs showing the Turk ethnic origin of Selahaddin Eyyubi, but the Turk hating trolls whom have goals for the creating of a Turk-Kurd conflict, or the creating of a Sunni-Sii conflict, seem to be blind for all these facts.

Altough it is important to note that we do not see such obvious Turk names among the Arab dynasty members of that period. A dynasty so strong as the Ayyubid dynasty, does not need to use Turk names, if they were of Arab ethnic origin, they would have not used Turk names.

Ölüezgi yazdı:Like I said, beacuse his mother was Turkish. In the palace of Eyyubids they were also speak Turkish. But that doesn't mean he is Turk or Turk originated. It is generally accepted that Saladin was from a Kurdified Yemeni Arab clan.

The origin, homeland of the Ayyubid family is from the Divin region located in Azerbaijan.

K- Ancient geographer İbn'ül A'sam'ül - Kufi(9th - 10th century AD), had travelled the "Aran" region at 926 AD, and have written that the Language spoken in Aran was the Khazarian Turkish Language.

926 AD is before the Ayyubids and the Seljukids became allies. 926 AD is also before the birth of Selahaddin Eyyubi, Necmeddin Eyyubi(father) and Şadi(grandfather). This is the period of when the ancestors of Selahaddin Eyyubi lived. The direct ancestors of Selahaddin Eyyubi spoke a Khazarian Turkish Language.

Witness yazdı:It was Arabian state as matter of ethnics. Also his mother irrelevant and nothing to be proud for Turks. He was a traitor and hated Nureddin Zengi, he was weak and beggar against Crusaders and hateful against Seljuks of Rum even marrying Zengi's 60 y o widowed wife after death of Nureddin as a revenge method. Here Mısıroğlu compares him with Kemal Pasha and stops myth about Saladin as hero

This is a quote from the CIA agent traitor ignorant Kadir Mısıroğlu:

Kadir Mısıroğlu yazdı:"Lozan'ı yırtıp atmadıkça, aydınlık Türkiye'nin şafağı sökmeyecektir"
"If we do not tear down the Agreement of Lausanne, we can not break down Türkiye"

What is the Agreement of Lausanne? The Turks defeated the British and their puppets during the Turk War of Independence, and after this the British and their puppets ran away like pussies from our country. The British were forced to sign the Agreement of Lausanne, in which the dictations of Atatürk were accepted by the British officials. The Agreement of Lausanne was the victory of the Turks against the British, the Agreement of Lausanne caused for the fully independency of the Turks and Türkiye.

Ignorant Kadir Mısıroğlu hate Atatürk because they preferred to live as slaves under the British, in stead of living independent like the Turks lived in the complete Noble Turk History. These kind of people are traitors and believe in the Fake Umayyad religion.

Another quote of Kadir Mısıroğlu:

Kadir Mısıroğlu yazdı:"Mustafa Kemal'i sevmeye mecbur muyum?"
"Do i have to love Atatürk?"

Kadir Mısıroğlu is a simple CIA agent working together with the Modern Christian Crusaders(US, UK)(Former president of US, admitted that they were the Modern Christian Crusaders), to divide the Independent State of Türkiye. Yes, the Seljukids, Mamluks, Tolunids and the Ayyubids are all HEROIC Turk dynasties whom defeated the Christian Crusaders who wanted to destroy and commit a genocide to all Muslims. My Noble Father Mustafa Kemal Atatürk and the Noble Turk Nation did the same thing, we saved the existance of Muslims. Turk hating traitors like Kadir Mısıroğlu can keep working as agent provocators for enemy states, we Atatürkist Turk Nationalists will die for the Independence of Türkiye, do not worry about it.

Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

MesajGönderilme zamanı: 18 Tem 2015, 16:24
gönderen TurkmenCopur
jackrussell yazdı:Uzulerek belirtmeliyim , Kadir Misiroglu'nun asilli , asilsiz tum suclamalari tartisilmalidir .

Kendisi Ingilizlerden insanlik gordugunu , Almanlarin ise aptal ve hayvan gibi oldugunu soyler .

Kadir Misiroglu elbette Seriat istemektedir ama millet istememektedir Seriat sistemini .

Konu derin , basli basina bir tartisma konusu .

Bu tipten hain insanların İslam Dinimiz ile alakaları yok. Bunlar olsa olsa Amerikan veya İngiliz Şeriatını isterler, gerçek İslam'dan uzak, kafasına göre çıkarına göre İslam'ı yaşıyan insanlar, Amerikan İslam'ına inanan sapıklar. Bir zamanlar Fethullah putları bugünkü gibi düşman görülmediği günlerde, bankalarda faiz günah diye ortalıkta dolaşanlar şimdi banka sahibi oluyorlar. Zina'yı serbest bırakanlar bu tipten insanlar, sonra başörtüsüyle halkı kandırırlar. Amerika'nın Büyük Orta Doğu Projesinin eş başkanı olupta 1,5 milyon Müslüman insanın soykırıma tabi tutulmasına sebep olurlar, ondan sonra da seçim döneminde ortalıkta eline Kuran-ı Kerim Kutsal Kitabımızı alarak İslam Dinimizi siyasi propagandaya alet edecek kadar gaflet ve dalalete bilinçli olarak girecek kadar onursuz insanlar.

Ölüezgi yazdı:Olabilirdi tabi, Ukrayna'da övüneni de vardır ama bu toplulukların Osmanlı üzerinde ne kadar hakkı var? Bunu tartışmak lazım. Eğer biz Selahaddin'in annesinin Türklüğünden kendimize herhangi bir şekilde pay çıkartabiliyorsak, o zaman bizim tarihimizden de herkes kendine pay çıkartabilir. Tabii böyle olduğunda "bizim" olmaktan çıkar o ayrı.

Baba tarafı çizgisi, Anne tarafı evliliklerden dolayı değişime uğrayamaz. Burası belli de, sunduğum Selahaddin Eyyubi'nin Baba tarafı soyu'nun Türk Kökenli olduğunu kanıtlayan bilgi ve kaynakları ciddi ciddi incelemenizi tavsiye ediyorum. Ve ayrıca "Türk" kimdir "Kürt" kimdir, sorgulamak gerekir. Kürtçe diye bir dil var mıydı 600 seneden önceki dönemlerde? Selçuklu ve Osmanlı Hanedanı'nın Farsça ve Arapça'yı Türkçe'nin temeli ile karıştırarak saray dilini konuşmaları Selçuklu'nun Kürt veya Arap kökenli olduğunu mu gösterir? "Türk" ve "Kürt" kelimesi niye bu kadar çok benziyor birbirine? Ekrad ve Etrak kelimeleri neden bu kadar çok benziyor birbirine ve ayrıca bu terimler neden hem Türk hemde Kürt aşiretleri için kullanılıyordu tarihi belgelerde? "Kürt" kelimesi hangi tarihten itibaren bir etnik terimi ifade etmeye başladı? Yakın tarihte neden Osmanlı belgerinde "Kürtler" veya "Araplu" gibi isimlere sahip Türk/Türkmen kökenli aşiretler vardı?

Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

MesajGönderilme zamanı: 23 Tem 2015, 01:41
gönderen TurkmenCopur
[QUOTE ="Mongolian Beef"]
Keep dreaming Mongol.
Etruscans have no connection to Turks whatsoever. The Etruscans were pure Armenians who migrated to Italy. During that period you Mongols were trying to figure out what fruits are for while you were jumping tree to tree in Mongolia.[/QUOTE]

Ancient Turk and Proto Turk Dna: viewforum.php?f=229

Y-DNA Türkiye Turks=Y-DNA Ancient&Modern Central Asian Turks: viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12288

Y-DNA Genetic Structure of Türkiye Turks = Y-DNA Genetic Structure of Ancient & Modern Central Asian Turks

Turks from Türkiye have 100% the same Ethnic Origin and the same Genetic Structure as the Ancient and Modern Central Asian Turks.

Turk Nation: Anthropology-Archaeology-Genetic-Haplogroups: viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12267

I am ready for any kind of discussion, i will enlighten your darkened/poisened souls with the truth.

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/turkey ... 7#lastPost

Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

MesajGönderilme zamanı: 25 Tem 2015, 20:42
gönderen TurkmenCopur
Abdullah Öcalan = Armenian origin

Ahmet Türk = Türkmen origin

Barzani = Jewish origin

Talabani = Jewish origin

PKK = Terrorist Organization build by the US, and still lead and controlled by the US special forces like delta force.

PKK = A part of the US army

PKK = Continuation of ASALA, which was also puppet of the US


http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showth ... tion/page2

Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

MesajGönderilme zamanı: 25 Tem 2015, 20:45
gönderen TurkmenCopur
I think the Welsch, Scottish and Irish people should have an independent state, i hope for them that they will divide the UK.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showth ... tate/page5

Re: Türk Düşmanları İle Ön-Türk Tarihi Hakkında Bir Tartışma

MesajGönderilme zamanı: 25 Tem 2015, 21:01
gönderen TurkmenCopur
I also think that the Native Americans, African Americans and Hispanic Americans do deserve an independent state out of the current US state. I sincerely hope that the Native Americans, African Americans and Hispanic Americans will have better rights and that the genocide performed on them will stop, when they start dividing the borders of the racist US state.